Do the 8th ed changes affect our ability to bring a Prince on a Star Dragon in a 2250? I haven't read many of the rumors, I figure I'll just pickup the book when it comes out.
Do the 8th ed changes affect our ability to bring a Prince on a Star Dragon in a 2250? I haven't read many of the rumors, I figure I'll just pickup the book when it comes out.
Yes it does. You will only be able to take 25% of your army total as Lord choices, which means you'll be able to spend a total of 562 points on Lords in a 2250 pts game.
A naked Prince on Star dragon is 520 pts, so you'll only have 42 points to kit him with after that, which is a pretty big hit.
Depending on if miscasts still exist or not, I think a cheap lvl 4 Archmage with Staff of Solidity and Folariath's robe might be the way to go, supported by a couple of great weapon-toting Nobles and a BSB. Maybe even add Korhil on a chariot or something, he oughta be pretty damn hardhitting in one of those.
A level 2 Mage with Seerstaff of Saphery might also be nice, to compliment your Archmage's spell choices.
I've always thought High Elves were a pretty dull army, but with 8th ed they might actually become really interesting, might be time to dig out the army I got from a friend a couple of years ago.
Last edited by Falkman; 02-06-2010 at 00:41.
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Honestly, you might be better off taking the Moon Dragon at that level. You'll get your full allowance of magic items and still have a fairly powerful mount.
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So i've read up on the new rules and with that said, what do you guys think of Prince Tyrion?
I plan on using him with his sword of breath fire (once per game of course) and he gets a stomp attack as well w/ 1 d6, along with his 4 re-rollable (due to asf and I10) str 7 attacks plus he can be used in 2k games. This guy just got suped up to the max (barring the fact that he can no longer use his 4+ ward and regen, but meh, he's still awesome.
I know some people like to run small units of Swordmasters, but will these still be effective in the new edition? Stepping-up(think thats what its called) means there will be attacks back and with a 5+ save the SM will probably not survive.
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I think despite his perks in the new rules, he's overcosted and unuseable in competitive games. Only noobs will use him.
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That rumor was already discredited, apparently there's no change to saves.Originally Posted by Tyrion1
I think the days of tiny units of 5-7 are gone since they will just die. I wouldn't want to field less than 14, so that you can survive a turn or two before you are dead. 18 and 21 might be good as well but then they are really expensive.
About the dragons, it says that they count as a hero choice in the book. So maybe they will count towards the hero percent quota instead of the Lord's.
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Not sure how that would make sense...
Would be kinda cool to have the option for a prince on a dragon AND an archmage in 2-2,5k, but I can't really see that happening.
The current rumor we have is that Lord mounts come out of the Lord allowance, so I think that's a safe bet to go with for now.
Last edited by Deetwo; 02-06-2010 at 08:41.
I can't really see it happen either, I just wanted to point out that maybe it could happen. Don't count on it though. If you want a dragon I'd go for a Moon Dragon since you can use al your magic items points then.
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I hardly think only "noobs" will use Tyrion. Especially since his stomp attack, coupled with his breath weapon that can be used in close combat to make
2d6 str 4 attacks along with his 4 re-reollable str 7 attacks means he can smoke any unit in cc, he can solo hunt warmachines and violate monsters/other characters (especially flamable ones) and cavalry alike.
do you still get the DD if u dont have any mage in the army?.. im not sure on this..
As far as I know you always get the dispel dice, whether you have a mage or not.
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Didn't they change Sunfangs attack to a S4 breath attack?
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Thanks for the thread Deasert Rain, but I disagree with 1 thing you said. SM are going to be the best unit in the game; hands down. Between being able to buff them with shield of saphery, the new scaly skin save, and being able to heal them back, helps them a bunch. Plus, even against hordes (do models in the second rank still only get 1 attack?) 14 SM get 21 rerollable S5 attacks. If the horde has spears, thats 18 hits, 15 wounds. A rank and usually a standard, the horde would have to do 12 wounds to even tie! SM are awesome; no doubt about it
Their main problem is that they are outnumbered at least 2:1 against most things. They kill stuff like there's no tomorrow but with stepping up the enemy gets to attack back. And if that enemy is in horde formation we can expect severe casualties. We will win the combat, but then they are stubborn since they have more ranks. Next round will kill another dozen of them and they'll kill some of ours. The problem is that SMs are too expensive to build large units with, so they are loosing by attrition.
They will be good yes, but they will also suffer from attrition a lot. I think that they are best at a flank, and not as a mainline unit.
You can of course boost them with spells, if the opponent lets them through.
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Than again, we can also win a war of attrition by getting our points back; except for skaven and gobbos, horde forces are going to be expensive, and 14 SM are only 210 points, as opposed to 300-450 points, so our 210 point unit can make thier points back in a single turn, perhaps 2, and lets face it, for orcs and goobos and skaven, thier statlines aren't very promising. 50 Gobbos with spears get 35 attacks (subtracting the 15 wounds the SM do) hitting on 5s so thats 11 hits, 5.5 wounds 3 wounds. You win combat by 10, and you've got a 1/18 chance of rolling snake eyes with stubborn. And those 50 gobbos is a 220 point investment, as opposed to your 222 point unit. So even to a 50 strong unit, Sm still definitely carry the day.
Yeah, it is indeed a str 4 breath attack meaning 1 time per games he can let fly his 4 re-rollable str 7 ws 9 I10 attacks plus d6 stomp plus 2d6 str4 breath weapon attacks = very sad unit.
I get everything but the 2d6, I was under the impression that it was a template attack.
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Supposedly template weapons can be used once per game in close combat for 2d6 hits.
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