Why did grimgor leave archon on the ground instead of killing him?

[Lostanddamned]

I doubt that Archaon would seek revenge for the death of a subordinate.

I imagine that he is quite "Darth Vader" in that respect.

[RGB]

You misundearstand. Archie is supposed to feel humiliated and angry and come after Grim Ork

In any case, naff.

[ROCKY]

I highly doubt it, seeing as Crom is merely a goon, and that Archaon may see grimgor as a mere nuicense. Cheating gobbo!

[The Mighty Gnoblar]

Its another piece of crazy excuse of fluff to come out of SoC, basicly they wanted the Orcs who really didnt have a grand focus in the campaign to get into the bigger picture of the campaign.

As much as I like the Orcs and Gobbos the idea one of them could best a Chosen of the Ruinous Powers and get away with it is laughable

[Nagash]

I just think the whole ending of Storm of Chaos was stupid. Especially when Mannfred Von Carstein arrives and raises an army powerful enough to actually defeat his opponents that is tired and worn from three days of constant battle. But oh no he decides to turn around back home because Volkmar (in bad shape) tells him to hit the road.

[GREEN IS DA BEST]

yes i completley agree with you... but I do understand the reason for him doing this. If he had died (again) then his entire arm would crumble and sylvania would of been lost considering croms army was heading strait towards it. So he would of had to leave for sylvania at that moment to get back in time, so even if he won the battle he would of never of gotten back in time to defend sylvania. Also if he won then acording to fluff the empire would of collapsed causing there to be no more empire able to live and they would possibly have to stop selling empire (unless they come up with some crazy fluff which they most defenitly would of) and they would never do this because the empire is to much of a popular army and is making them way to much money.

So as you can see they would never let the empire die out.

Plus Gav Thrope said so.

[Bubble Ghost]

How is Crom a better fighter than Archaon? Could he beat a bloodthrister in single combat?

Archaon's no slouch, obviously, but I was talking about bred-in-the-bone natural talent rather than current ability. It's his other qualities that saw him rise to the position he's in, and with that came the extra power that increased his abilities. That's what being a Chaos lord is all about.

[The Mighty Gnoblar]

The whole Carstein thing could have been handled alot better then "Im the Grand Theogonist BOO!" situation we were left with. I think it would have been better if Manfred had simply aided the Empire, protecting lands and cattle he sees as his own from Chaos. It would have been far better and more in keeping with the aristocracy of the night attitude of the Carsteins if he had saved them so he can have his own fun with the Empire when he hasnt got a potential invasion on his own turf to deal with

[Nagash]

They should never have brought Mannfred to Midenheim because he could have been of to siege Altdorf or some other poorly guarded city instead. The whole Von Carstein thing was just a major embarrassment for the undead.

[Suicide Messiah]

Mannfred was there to protect his food supply, they just handeld the reason he didnt turn on the empire badly.

[ROCKY]

Bah, Manny's time will come...however, I believe that he had a good reason to be afraid. Belakor brought him back with the power of chaos which means that he has dark powers added on to his existing ones, plus you forget about on tiny matter....Tecilis. If manny did attack he would eventually be crushed same as Belakor.

[taer]

When are we gonna get Teclis' new spell "Game over, I win???"

[ROCKY]

Heehehheh, I would not worry about the elf for too much longer..

[The Mighty Gnoblar]

Sadly somehow I doubt GW will curb Teclis powers any time soon, god forbid they listen to the rantings of those who think he should kill Nagash...

[Nagash]

Nagash is eternal Teclis is not, he is a fragile Elf after all.

[Mad Makz]

I'm not sure Mannfred really meant to attack the Empire, I think he sort of half figured they would just give in without a fight after all that bloodshed. The fact that the ex, potentially undead (how ironic ) Grand Theogonist was around with enough moxy left to stand against him probably told Mannfred that this still would be no easy victory, and he had more pressing concern's back in Sylvania.

[The Mighty Gnoblar]

I dont think Volkar doing his impresion of the French guy from Holy Grail counts as having enough moxy to defy Mannfred, he did after all have three days worth of seige dead to bolster his army.

[Suicide Messiah]

What was his line? Something like 'a man like me once killed a vamp like you'? Manfreed is a ********** vampire, he should have ripped his throat out within the blink of an eye.

[ROCKY]

Mannifred did not want to risk getting beat and weakened due to crom heading towards his territory. do not forget that crom defeated grimgor's army plus that of the dwarves. If manny is not home by that time, sylvania WILL fall.

[Suicide Messiah]

I know that, but GW didnt make it seem like that. Being a vamp manfreed would be terribly vain and pompus. He would have made it crystal clear that he was sparing them because he had bigger fish to fry. He certainly wouldnt let it appear like he was scared of some old geezer.