Tactica: Daemons of Chaos 8th Edition

[Ebrion]

I have never used the torment blade like that, but reading here made me look at it, I alwasys assumed it took the place of the existing weapon.

As far as magic, I keep treading lightly with my dice or using Darm magister as often as possible, but I keep losing wizards or throwing a whole magic phase down the drain. Or worse my power dice roll is a 1 and a 6 so my opponent just disspelles to his hearts content.

[Oseru]

How effective would two units of 40 Plaguebearers be at 2000pts, both with a Herald.

PB's with the reroll banner are great. They are the unit of choice for dealing with all the high toughness, low armor save monsters out there. The problem is you can only get that banner once.

Two units would be effective. Diversifying your troop selection with a different core choice on the second unit would be more effective. It would allow you to address multiple threats that most good builds will have.

[Mirbeau]

Hello daemon players, any ideas on how to counter a pair of daemons using your dreaded siren songs? Was on the recieving end of it today and it wasn't at all pretty. Besides death magic sniping the herald/keeper, is there anything else that can be done? (I play high elves)

[Oseru]

Looking at next year and some of the local doubles events. After trying Beastmen this year I am toying with going into Daemons... something a bit more competitive. What armies would team well with them? Keep in mind that these events are using the BRB team rules, so good/bad is splitting power dice, for example.

Other daemons seems natural as does Warriors. Artillery heavy orcs and goblins would provide lots of chaff and shooting.

Dark Elves and Skaven seem to be a real bad choice in doubles tournaments, turning quite quickly and really wrecking your synergy.

As well, what sort of stuff are you really looking at in 1250?

Quick shoot into AB was Masque, Khorne BSB with banner of sundering and flamestorm blade, 29 bloodletters with extra charge banner, 3 flamers, 2 fiends, 1 fiend, 10 seekers with no reaction banner. This would be the daemon half. Other half could take a caster.

Of course, I have almost no real idea how to play small points daemons.

Also thinking of singles tourneys and doing 2 hordes: letters and plaguebearers with heralds, fiends and a daemon prince caster general at 2k.

There is no good way to play small points of daemons. Certain armies are very strong at a given points level. For example Skaven at 1k or less are damn near invincible in the hands of even the moderately compotent. Daemons aren't exactly the polar opposite but they are at best an average army at any points under 1K. Get a HoT with wings and MoS and generally daemonettes as there aren't many high armor elite troops in small game play.

I would think skaven would be a good match for daemons. They fix a daemons biggest problems; numbers and shooting. Lots of slaves a small CR unit to protect a warlord. Intermingling that with a HoT or two hard hitting daemon units to smash flanks sounds really solid to me.

Oh and Shadow lore (-T) setting up troops up on a tee for Plague Claws to knock down could be a really disgusting combination.

[Ghazar]

When talking about Plaguebearers, you need to remember one thing. Most of our oponents (well I strongly believe that at least 50% of them) will have shadow lore which is the best lore in the game right now (some may say that life is better.. but no, believe me it's not) and you will recieve pit of shadows in your face. 5/6 of your PB's goes back to the realm of chaos. If not PB's horrible initiative, they would be the best core that we have.
BUT, there is one sollution. Lore of LIGHT. And you have "speed of light" spell, which gives them I10 (and WS10 as well).
This lore also has the best augment spell for our bloodletters - Brionas Timewarp.
Additional attack, ASF, aaaaaand double Movement!!!!

I'm going to play a huge battle against Dark Elves (unfortunately in one month time). 4500 points, and I just cant wait to try this lore of light combo on them

Oh and Lore of light has a great spell to make our GD's live longer - Pha's Protection.

[Andy p]

PB's with the reroll banner are great. They are the unit of choice for dealing with all the high toughness, low armor save monsters out there. The problem is you can only get that banner once.

Two units would be effective. Diversifying your troop selection with a different core choice on the second unit would be more effective. It would allow you to address multiple threats that most good builds will have.

Wonder if he could sneak the tally master in there too...

[Oseru]

Ghazar, I completely agree with you on the shadow lore. I run Shadow and Life on my HoT's and my magical tool box is full to bursting.

[laribold]

So, putting aside how much everyone hates Daemon Princes and that "you should never take them" etc... I was wondering if anyone could enlighten me about the 'Dedicate to...' rule.

Does this rule actually do anything other than give you access to some God-specific gifts? I'm assuming it's not like WoC where the marks have bonuses etc... For 35pts this seems a bit steep if it has no other benefit than unlocking further gifts (which you then have to pay for)?

On a related note, by using this I assume you could dedicate the DP to Tzeentch and then purchase Master of Sorcery, but as they'd not be a wizard I assume that whilst your DP would know all the spells of a lore they wouldn't actually be able to cast anything, right?

Just trying to make some sense out of the DP list...



Oh and only 75pt allocation for Daemonic Gifts for a Lord is totally pants.

[Your Mum Rang]

Quick question from someone who hasn't played since 7th. Is the Masque and other ld-lowering trisksiness a good answer to steadfast units?

[Oseru]

Quick question from someone who hasn't played since 7th. Is the Masque and other ld-lowering trisksiness a good answer to steadfast units?

Emphatic yes

[ArtificerArmour]

So, putting aside how much everyone hates Daemon Princes and that "you should never take them" etc... I was wondering if anyone could enlighten me about the 'Dedicate to...' rule.

Does this rule actually do anything other than give you access to some God-specific gifts? I'm assuming it's not like WoC where the marks have bonuses etc... For 35pts this seems a bit steep if it has no other benefit than unlocking further gifts (which you then have to pay for)?

Simply, yeah you have it. If dedicating also unlocked say the powers "locus" it might be worth it. However, at the moment it's too steep (except maybe Khorne who would be able to get armour).

I intend to run a DP with flight, ASF and reroll to wound. flight, swiftstride, I7 - he's going to dish out alot of hurt.

On a related note, by using this I assume you could dedicate the DP to Tzeentch and then purchase Master of Sorcery, but as they'd not be a wizard I assume that whilst your DP would know all the spells of a lore they wouldn't actually be able to cast anything, right?

Correctamundo. Dish out another 85points please.

[Mithosiris]

Hi guys,

How competitive do the 40 block of horrors to you in tournaments? Do you guys usually use them?

Same question with Bloodcrushers, do you usually use them in tournaments?¿ or do you use Fiends and Flamers instead....?

[ArtificerArmour]

They probably struggle when dealing with miscasts (especually with cupped hands and infernal puppet and the new hellheart) and soak up alot of dice from the pool. I havnt seen them used often at all.

[bildo]

is a chariot a good mount for a hot? or should i stick to a disc?

[ArtificerArmour]

Disc if anything, but I usually run mine bare with a spell breaker and loremaster

[Mullitron]

Writing some daemon lists at the moment and trying to choose between the greater daemons, initially I was thinking of a lord of change with lore of life, that being said I do like the Forge worlds keeper of secrets model. So i was wondering on whats a recommended set up for these two greater daemons? Iam aiming for a 2400 point list so got 600 points 2 spend.

[sulla]

Writing some daemon lists at the moment and trying to choose between the greater daemons, initially I was thinking of a lord of change with lore of life, that being said I do like the Forge worlds keeper of secrets model. So i was wondering on whats a recommended set up for these two greater daemons? Iam aiming for a 2400 point list so got 600 points 2 spend.

Heh. If uncomped, Kairos or nothing IMO. GDs are nice, but war machines are nicer, and there's nothing like losing 600pts of model beofre your turn 1 starts to deflate you.

If you really want a GD, I like great unclean ones in 8th. Plenty of wounds to shrug off cannon and war machine shots, all those wounds should combo pretty well with lore of life on your herald of tzeentch. Balesword seems the obvious choice for gifts so he can deal with big models and ogre sized units.

[Your Mum Rang]

I am considering buffing my list to 3k by adding a GD. It consists roughly of:

40 Bloodletters + Herald (not yet decided on a Jugger)
20 Daemonettes + Siren Herald
30 Horrors + 2 Heralds (Life and Shadow)
2 x 5 Furies
5 Fiends
6 Flamers

For me the idea of a Spirit-Swallowing Keeper, a Lord of Change or a GUO ring my bell. What would work best?

[Mithosiris]

I am considering buffing my list to 3k by adding a GD. It consists roughly of:



For me the idea of a Spirit-Swallowing Keeper, a Lord of Change or a GUO ring my bell. What would work best?

How is that list working for you? It seems pretty solid. Do you have good succes in competitive enviroment?

[Mullitron]

Heh. If uncomped, Kairos or nothing IMO. GDs are nice, but war machines are nicer, and there's nothing like losing 600pts of model beofre your turn 1 starts to deflate you.

If you really want a GD, I like great unclean ones in 8th. Plenty of wounds to shrug off cannon and war machine shots, all those wounds should combo pretty well with lore of life on your herald of tzeentch. Balesword seems the obvious choice for gifts so he can deal with big models and ogre sized units.

Iam aware how powerful Kairos is but its simply not a special character that iam a fan of model wise or background wise. I know there will be games where my greater daemons will be a be waste of points but I do think their one of the iconic things about the daemon list and would like to incorporate one if possible.

Is it worth making the keeper of secrets a level 4 caster?
I was thinking for the keeper (taking into account a 600 point cap) keeper, level 3 wizard, torment blade, siren song and soul hunger at 590 points.
For a Lord of change I was thinking: LOC, level 4, dark magister and master of sorcery with lore of life at 585 points.
I get the impression that the Loc is probably better tho will probably be fighting with horrors and heralds of Tzeentch for power dice. Would it be better to drop the magic levels of the keeper to keep it cheaper then rely on a hot or 2 and 30 odd horrors for my magic?