Tactica: Warriors of Chaos 8th Ed

[CmdrLaw]

I think Festus switches for curse of the leper not bubos, but if he rolls it then yes woulod be fun.

Most of my force is nurgle (Festus' personal regiment) but running with a lvl 4 Tzeentch Mage on disc, mostly becasue that sounds quite fun. Maybe some Tzeentch chosen in a bigger force.

Yeah festus in a Horde of Marauders is quite horrible, you can run them naked and rely on the 5+ regen, plus they have poisoned attacks....shame I can't bothed to pick up that many maruaders.

[sayles78]

In our gaming group, we are all pretty relaxed about gaming limitations - fun and personal preference rule with us!

So, I'm looking at my warriors of chaos list (not finalised my list yet, and haven't yet played 8th) and I really fancy throwing some minotaurs (from Beastmen) in. I think minotaurs should have been in WoC book anyway.... but...

Q. How do Minotaurs compare to Ogres and Trolls in 8th? Think I'm gunna run with em anyway, but would be nice to hear some comparisons / past experiences.

Thanks.

PS: If I ever play against someone who wont allow minotaurs in a WoC, I just plan on using them as ogres with MoK.

[BrotherNefarius]

Hey guys,

I played a couple of games this week-end and got quite impressed with some spell synergy and some magic items...

Lore of Death - Doom and Darkness (-3 Leadership to a model) is a killer combined with helm of discord (oppponent LD test or do nothing in combat + auto hit)

Lore of Death - Soulblight is simply insane, power up version is a game breaker. -1 S and -1 T to all enemy in 24" bubble around the caster? CRAZY! With our already nice core troops, makes them wound on 2+ most of the time, even with hand weapons. And makes them really tougher. Double win for combat resolution.

Lore of shadow and Lore of death synergy... the -d3 T and -d3 S spells are great starters for the Caress of Laniph and Fate of Bjuna... You could even throw in a Curse of the Leper if you have Festus or a nurgle caster.

My favorite setup now is a Sorc. Lord with Lore of Shadows and 2 hero sorcs with Lore of Death. Yes you heard right, no MoT Sorcs

[Zangor]

I have been considering the Palanquin as a BSB mount due to loving the model and it being infantry and therefore getting a LOS! roll in a unit of warriors or marauders. Am i crazy, or is it not a bad idea?

I wouldnt go as far as to call you crazy, but i would say that you have to really love the model to field it. Placing it in a warrior unit you lose at least 4 attacks. The +1 armor save and the attacks from the palanquin dosnt really compensate for the loss and on top of that you have to pay 50 points for it. I guess it wouldnt be all bad to field in a marauder unit though i would still say its way too expensive.

Edit: on top of that you would have to pay 20 pts for the (not too useful) mark of nurgle in order to mount it. But if you field it at least you are going to feel so cool every time it pays off. And its not like its über crap like the forsaken or a spawn.

[Kerill]

Thanks for the comments, I've added the last section but had to leave out half of what I wanted to go over because of the character limit. I've also added the army list topic and the link in the first page:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...31#post4813231

So do add your 8th edition lists there

[sayles78]

Hey guys,

I played a couple of games this week-end and got quite impressed with some spell synergy and some magic items...

Lore of Death - Doom and Darkness (-3 Leadership to a model) is a killer combined with helm of discord (oppponent LD test or do nothing in combat + auto hit)

Lore of Death - Soulblight is simply insane, power up version is a game breaker. -1 S and -1 T to all enemy in 24" bubble around the caster? CRAZY! With our already nice core troops, makes them wound on 2+ most of the time, even with hand weapons. And makes them really tougher. Double win for combat resolution.

Lore of shadow and Lore of death synergy... the -d3 T and -d3 S spells are great starters for the Caress of Laniph and Fate of Bjuna... You could even throw in a Curse of the Leper if you have Festus or a nurgle caster.

My favorite setup now is a Sorc. Lord with Lore of Shadows and 2 hero sorcs with Lore of Death. Yes you heard right, no MoT Sorcs

Very interesting! How do you field them? What units do they run with and what (if at all) are they mounted on?

[Alexander Keith]

Thanks a ton Kerill...I'm really looking forward to your character break down!


And what does everyone think of a unit of eight Ogres?

[Azhrar]

Sorry if this has already been discussed.

I see alot of people talking about fielding big units of marauders, and while I can see the potential, i think that the new template weapons will be a huge thorn in our sides.

I seriously fail to see how WOC can effectively deal with an Empire list with 3 mortars and a couple of great cannons, lord lvl caster and huge blocks of infantry.

Magic is ofcourse an option , but unless i am mistaken Empire can pretty easily lock down our magic with priests and magic items

[Kerill]

Sorry if this has already been discussed.

I see alot of people talking about fielding big units of marauders, and while I can see the potential, i think that the new template weapons will be a huge thorn in our sides.

I seriously fail to see how WOC can effectively deal with an Empire list with 3 mortars and a couple of great cannons, lord lvl caster and huge blocks of infantry.

Magic is ofcourse an option , but unless i am mistaken Empire can pretty easily lock down our magic with priests and magic items

Because mortars still scatter and if he has 500 points in war machines and 600 points in characters (general, 2 warrior priests and a level 4) there isn't much left for the rest of the army. If a third of your troops make it through the barrage they can have a field day. Not to mention units that can go war machine hunting.

Stanks are the real problem.

[Azhrar]

3 Mortars cost 225 points, and when using the 5 inch templates even a little scattering still causes some pain.

The damage those 225 points can cause will be extreme :/

[Lungboy]

Would Wulfrik + Marauders coming on from the opponents board edge help against static warmachine heavy lists?

[Witchblade]

Hence the need for something(s) in your list with warmachine hunting abilities, e.g. warhounds, horsemen, an exalted on slaaneshi steed or a disc rider. I think I'll stick to the disc rider and the warhounds. They're multi-purpose.

Would Wulfrik + Marauders coming on from the opponents board edge help against static warmachine heavy lists?

Sure it would help. But it's also unreliable and the unit's use is limited to a few armies.

[Brother Drakist]

3 Mortars cost 225 points, and when using the 5 inch templates even a little scattering still causes some pain.

The damage those 225 points can cause will be extreme :/

It doesn't take too long to get into combat in 8th. Sure you might take some pain, but when you hit his line their isn't much that can stop you. Empire infantry will crumble before a marauder assault. Larger units will just take longer to deal with but will ultimately succumb to the might of Chaos. Wouldn't hurt you to field some fast calvarly to help you deal with the Mortars sooner.

[Kerill]

3 Mortars cost 225 points, and when using the 5 inch templates even a little scattering still causes some pain.

The damage those 225 points can cause will be extreme :/

Not got the 5" template handy but I'm guessing it could cover a full unit of 30 marauders more or less so 15 would die but 15 marauders can still happily trounce an empire infantry unit. Two hits will leave very little though I agree.

It would probably hit a full unit of 18 warriors too but only 3 will die (2 with blasted standard, 1.5 if also Tzentch). A cannon can kill another couple but the unit is still fully functional. Turn 2 or turn 3 at the latest your faster elements can be charging the enemy line. Turn 2 your war machine hunters can be charging and with TLOS it will be very hard to hide those war machines from disk riders and hounds/horsemen at the same time.

Scattering will reduce the damage, as will misfires, and you will have 5/6 units of troops to weather the storm with.

Also remember in 8th even if he mortars your 35 marauders down to 3 men he doesn't get a single victory point, whereas if you kill a cannon or one of his units you will be getting VPS.

[Fruhauf]

An awesome write up seriously will help a great deal.

Thanks and gl to all WoC'ers in 8th!

[Lungboy]

Treason of Tzeentch looks like it might be very powerful with the switch towards large horde units of GW armed men, or for taking out the elite enemy units like Swordmasters before they can hurt our units.

[HampMan]

Writing my army list im stuck on a certain topic. Nurgle or Khorne for my blender warriors with halberds? and another one, is it possible to have shields and halberds?

I'm thinking nurgle so that the warriors can dish out hell of a punishment and take less losses back.

[Jericho]

You can take halberd + shield for the extra armor save against ranged attacks, but you MUST use the halberd in combat so you can't claim armor or parry bonus

[Zangor]

You can carry shields and halberds you just cant use them at the same time. So you can use the shields as protection from shooting before entering close combat.

I would certainly choose khorne if i where you. In many situations the -1 to the enemy WS wont make any difference, but the extra attack from frenzy will always make a difference.

[theSkullduggery1]

Hence the need for something(s) in your list with warmachine hunting abilities, e.g. warhounds, horsemen, an exalted on slaaneshi steed or a disc rider. I think I'll stick to the disc rider and the warhounds. They're multi-purpose.

I'm thinking the steed of slaanesh is looking like a much better option this edition with the fast cav movement pre-game. Also, my disk has been hit by the lore of heavens meaning an extra D6 attacks...I didn't like that very much.

but the extra attack from frenzy will always make a difference.

Always make a difference? What about if you lose combat? Then Nurgle still makes a difference while Khorne doesn't.