Wait, what?Originally Posted by antihelten
How?
If it specifically says that they're Infantry...
Wait, what?
How?
If it specifically says that they're Infantry...
Take the warriors and give them the Standard of Discipline as Dreadgrass has already suggested. Ld 9 with the sorcerer lord for the army is very good.
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Again, the troop type of the mount doesn't matter, it's the troop type of the character thats important for look out sir (page 99 of the brb), and when mounted on a palanquin a character counts as cavalry (page 104 of the brb).
Therefore no look out sir rolls in an infantry unit, unintended as it might be.
Of course, I can't see anyone playing it like that.
Still official, though.
Hmm, yes, maybe. I've been keeping the Lord in the Marauders and that seems to be working fairly well. Will have to think about it.
Worth repeating. End of story.
And once again the troop type of the mount is irrelevant with regards to the look sir rule, only the characters matter.
Give it up. The rider is infantry, the mount is infantry, the whole thing is infantry and gets a LOS! roll for being in other infantry.
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I'm that excited about the whole infantry troop type and nurgle palanquin thingy not being a cav mount that I'm going to make one...
How does this sound, chaos spawn with a knight sat on top... That could make for some very interesting conversations as why you still get a LOS!
Sure I'll give it up if you'll just give me a rule of some sort that is actually in the brb, that allows the palanquin to ignore the rule on page 104.
I really hadn't thought about an Infantry character mounted on a Infantry mount following the classification of the Cavalry rules in the BRB. Good find ... man WoC just keep getting the shaft.
There is a precedent in the dwarf lord shield bearers.
We aren't dwarfs though. I never took palaquins, for one thing I can't convert well. With the change to the rules, Im gonna have to drop archaon and his knights since Look out Sir won't apply to him anymore. Thinking of switching him for Sigvald, equal ldr plus stubborn. Not the 18 inch bubble Archaon is, but still pretty good.
Problem is that the shield bearers have a specific line of text in their description allowing look out sir, while the palanquin has no such thing (skaven war-litter has a similar line btw)
Avain is correct,there both infantry and the NP is listed as infantry so gets the LOS.
Sigh, once again the troop type of the palanquin doesn't matter what matters is the troop type of the character (brb page 99, the look out sir part)
Now obviously the character is infantry when not mounted, question is if this changes if he's mounted.
So we look at page 104 character mounts, and under cavalry it says:
"Therefore, if a character is riding a mount with a single wound, he is riding a cavalry mount."
is the palanquin a mount? yes
does the palanquin have a single wound? yes
is it being ridden by a character? yes
Ergo it's a cavalry mount and as such the whole model has the troop type cavalry, and can't get look out sir rolls, intended or not.
So far no one has actually explained why the palanquin wouldn't follow the rule on page 104, other than repeating that it has the troop type infantry, but the rule on page 104 makes no distinction between troop types.
Please take the rules problem to the rule sections.
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Makes me wonder: how often do you take Heaven over Shadow and Death?
Was it just me or this guy is implying something?
At p104 are listed types a mount can be: cavalery, monstuous cavalery, chariot and monster.
Palanquin is not one of those types as it is infantry type....it looks like palanquin is not a mount but an option for the character like dwarf shield bearers.
Let's talk tactic: infantry or not, what value do you give to the palanquin? Does it really worth it's cost?
I take only a lv4 Tzeench with infernal puppet and homonculus. It is good to put pressure on the ennemy as you can cast most of tzeentchians spells with 2 dices. It is good for dispelling too.
WOC are really great when they are fighting. Magic is good as support but not as main power coz we don't have enough tools to control or power dices pool.
So, that lv4 is the maximum i want to pay for magic.
Tho, for fun, sometimes i take one lv2 death sorcerer. It's a shame we can't take shadow or heaven with it.
Heaven on my lv4 would be bad. Higher cost will cut down magic pressure as you'll really need a good power pool
Heavens seems like an excellent and useful lore. I will probably take it quite a lot.
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you're confusing mount type with troop type, for instance a steed of slaanesh is also a cavalry mount, but has the troop type war beast. and a palanquin is definitely a mount as it is listed as such several times in the army book.
But yes, this whole discussion has gotten a bit out of hand for a tactics thread.
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