Tactica: Warriors of Chaos 8th Ed

[Peregijn]

you can use a 50mm one or a chariot base 50/100mm. the old dragons came with the 50mm but the highelf ones come on a chariot base. maybe if you have the new zombie dragon as a base to convert your dragon from you can put it on the freaking huge monster base that comes with that model.

as for advice on builds on chaos lords ill redirect you to this threat: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...0lord%20builds everything you need and want to know about chaos lords is in there.

[TheOneHawk]

Chaos lord on dragon is so much fun to play with.

I'll just throw my build in here in case you want it.

Lord
Dragon
Mark of Nurgle (for theme only, really)
Glaive of Putrefaction (great all purpose, cheap weapon. Helps take out things like screaming bells and warsphinx's that have super toughness, and take them out in round two so you can charge again right away, rather than get shot at first)
Helm of Many Eyes (re-rolls)
Stream of corruption (because you can never have enough breath weapons)
Necrotic Phylactery (protects against most instakills)
Soporific Musk (you don't want things escaping your dragon, this guy costs a lot of points, make sure he gets some back)
Charmed Shield (cheaper than a non magic shield, and will generally stop the first cannonball)

Comes to 695. You'll notice I have no ward save, that's because it does not affect my mount, and as such I try and get the level 2 lore of nurgle spell, which gives regen on both monster and lord. Force that through every turn, at least until you're in combat, and you're golden.

[inq.serge]

I use slaaneshi (for theme)
Flail (to have extra strength, not affected by Obsidian armour just in case)
Shield (against shooting)
Dragon helm (for extra armour)
Book of secrets (to become a spellcaster)
Necrotic phylactery (must have)
Warrior familiar (kill off champs before the combat)
Blood-curdling roar (for shooting attacks)
Third eye (for spells).

Good jack of all trades.

If you gonna use the zombie dragon base, then blasphemous amulet sounds like a must.

[TheOneHawk]

Killing 3-4 enemies at best once every full game turn for 15 more points than the phylactery isn't worth it, imo.

[Halando]

In big games I use a Tzeentch Lord on Dragon.
Hellfire Sword, Charmed Shield, Opal Amulet, Favour of the Gods

The shield and the 3+ ward protects him against the first few hits. With two war shrines, he and his pet dragon gets the 4++(3++)&stubborn pretty fast. (Terror is granted from the dragon, so.. )
None of my opponents liked a dragon with ward save.

[evilchaosdoom]

Sorry warshrines only effect the rider unless its MR fear and terror

[TheOneHawk]

Yeah, the dragon doesn't get the ward save from eye of the gods.

[Halando]

I don't have the book here, so cannot read it thru.
I thought the EotG roll is only for the rider if he kills a character or a large target.
The shrines' blessing if for a whole unit. In this case the dragon is part of the unit...
But if you can direct me to the official text that contradicts this I won't have another word.

[inq.serge]

Also, does the phylactery affect the dragon? It says "the model", not "the wearer".

[Harwammer]

People tend to only apply magic items effects to the component they were purchased via otherwise you could end up with silly things like griffon and rider sharing a suit of armour (tight fit!) and so on.

[warplock]

Further to my recent posts in the Lizardmen thread wherein I speculated upon the utility of a unit of mounted Scar Veterans, I will shortly have access to a large Warriors army and was wondering if anyone has tried a unit of mounted Exalted Heroes. No juggernaughts - I'm thinking ward saves and Mark of Tzeentch all round, combined with flails and various other talismans and trinkets to suitably round them out and make them considerably horrifying / horrifyingly expensive. A unit of 4 kicks out 16 S7 WS7 initiative 6 (not striking last!) attacks in the first round of combat. I'm fairly sure you could kit them out with at least two 3+ ward saves and a couple of 4+, all with 1+ armour, some rerolling. I can imagine the cost would be somewhere around the 800+ mark. However the carnage they would cause is somewhat harder to imagine. So, has anyone tried this super-unit, and if so, how did it fare? For example, I imagine if you managed to get them into the right position, they would just evaporate heavily armoured opponents left right and centre.
Disclaimer: I'm aware this isn't an optimal tactic, but it sounds like a fun one!

[inq.serge]

Can disk riders form a unit? Of so, you can have a flying anvil that hits as hard as a flying anvil landing on you.

[warplock]

Can disk riders form a unit? Of so, you can have a flying anvil that hits as hard as a flying anvil landing on you.

Good idea, I believe they can - and don't units of flying models get the skirmishers rule? So the enemy would have an extra -1 to hit them at range too. What if one of them had the mark of nurgle - would the enemy be at -2 to hit the unit or just that one? Presumably they can't target that specific hero so how would you know which shots are have the extra -1 from the MoN?!

[inq.serge]

Good idea, I believe they can - and don't units of flying models get the skirmishers rule? So the enemy would have an extra -1 to hit them at range too. What if one of them had the mark of nurgle - would the enemy be at -2 to hit the unit or just that one? Presumably they can't target that specific hero so how would you know which shots are have the extra -1 from the MoN?!

Only tzeentchians can be disk riders.

Anyhow, Hammer vs hammer & anvil vs anvil?

Our hammers hit hard and our anvils can take a serious pounding. If we manage to hit the enemies hammers with ours and manage to hit the enemies anvils with ours, do we have a good chance at winning considering that we're overall better?

[TheOneHawk]

Yes, if you get the 4+ ward from a warshrine, it will affect the dragon as they are both part of the same unit. If you get it from killing something with the lord, though, you do not. You also do not get a roll of any kind if the dragon kills something that would otherwise give you the roll.

Yes, the necrotic phylactery affects the dragon, as it specifically says model, not character. That's why it's always on my lord on dragon builds. Great, cheap defensive item that protects from some of the biggest problems a lord on dragon faces.

[Jack of Blades]

Yes, if you get the 4+ ward from a warshrine, it will affect the dragon as they are both part of the same unit.

I was going to respond with that as well but I checked the FAQ first because I thought it best. Lo and behold, the FAQ says this is not the case.

[Greavious_Bodily_Harm]

Hey guys just ordered a lord on juggernaut and made this build. I'm running a mono khorne list with usually, a bsb, 2 blocks of warriors a horde of marauders, 2 units of hounds, 2 units of knights and a hellcannon

Chaos Lord
Juggernaut
Sheild
Orge Blade
Mark of Khorne
Dawnstone
Armour of Morrsleib


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[Havock]

So, a 1k point per-person team-rourney, the rules have been changed a bit so it is back to the drawing board. My buddy will take O&G, one level 4 orc shaman and a Blorc BSB, one big unit of Savage orc big unz, a rock lobba and wolf riders. We tried the mangler squig but it is as liable to kill our stuff as mine. If not more so

Anyway, originally I was the one with the BSB, but despite having only only one general per team, each team -should- have an elligible general. So, yeah. Only two non-character units per player required.

My list is along these lines: 20 chaos warriors with halberds, shields and banner of rage, hellcannon, character, something else (min knights, chariot)

Anyway, what to take?
Theoretically I could take a foot lord of Tzeentch with a shield, it would make a decent general with Ld9 and at 3+/5++ quite sturdy (I could probably fit in a dragonhelm or go for charmed shield + MoT + collar of Khorne), he will be a tough cookie at the points we will be playing at and MR2 + MoT is a good thing to have.

Alternatively: A mage, quite handy if only to take a dispel scroll, we are allowed to buff our teammates (as they are friendly) so for general purpose that's probably fire or nurgle. Fire gets rid of hydras and the like, nurgle has a chance to give the orcs/warriors regen, which is gooood.

Third option, which covers both beatstick and magic is an exalted champion with Book of Secrets and a scroll. It also allows access to the lore of Shadows, which is a plus in my opinion, if only because the signature is good and easy to cast and some of the other options are just groovy depending on the matchup.

IMHO, the tossup is between the exalted hero and the sorcerer, though the lord might be neat as a novelty factor.

[Efrovius]

i would take 6, than if you get a flank charge on lets say a big monster you get 18 attacks. maybe you can even take halberds and the flaming banner. s6 flaming kills a lot of stuff.
and people don't expect chaos knights with lances.

There is a thread in the Rules section (started by Yours Truely) about whether Chaos Knights can take Halberds and have S6 attacks. I was a proponent of such a thought but was corrected by multiple peeps on my error. Our beloved knights may have either an ensorcelled hand weapon/lance or a normal lance (for 5 pts) I think. So S6 is only possible with the lance on the charge. Although I am still willing to go with your interpretation (since it was mine too) if you can give me some ammo to back it up. Please, please, please

[Avalanche]

I have a decent collection of WoC models but I tend to field the ones I like the look of and keep a theme for my army.
Is it possible to have a strong army list from the following?:
80ish warriors of chaos (will be using the old plastic models)
5 knights that will be current chaos knights mounted on slaneesh steeds
Hellcannon based around Animerik's brilliant plague tower
10 dogs, I may use 2 horrors on a cavalry base for them
Characters, probably a demon prince or sorcerer lord leading.

I am a HoC enthusiast, don't know if that shows. Looking at 1500-3500 games.