Tactica: Warriors of Chaos 8th Ed

[Efrovius]

Chariots will also ruin the day for HE's and against small units a ASF lord with many eyes helps...

Am I to understand you put a Lord w/Helm of Many Eyes or the sword that gives ASF in a Chariot? Can that unit go right at the HE Special forces unsupported? Does it need a screen or another unit to do the dirty to them HEs? Can you give an example of the specific tactic used, please?

[Havock]

A chariot with an exalted carring the ASF sword and the stream of corruption would be more pts effecient.

[Fritzington]

Greetings all. I'm somewhat new to playing Warriors of Chaos, having only played the army itself a couple of times. At the time, I had used an essentially mono-Nurgle list, and seeing as this was back in 7th edition, it also happened to be a very cavalry centred force. Those days have come and gone, and I'm looking to make my return to the service of the Dark Gods, and do it right...well, somewhat, anyway.

Having mostly played Skaven up until now, I'm finding sorting out my Core infantry blocks, and the overall backbone of a 2000 point WoC army a little difficult. I'm used to having cheap, plentiful troops, fielded in large blocks or even hordes, if the mood struck. When it comes to the Warriors, however, that's not really so much of an option.

I'd really like your input and thoughts on what would, in your opinion, constitute a solid and effective workhorse of a Core section for a 2000 point army. I'd really like to include Chaos Warriors more so than Chaos Marauders, but I definitely wouldn't be opposed to fielding a sizable unit of Marauders(for added numbers, some decent ranks, etc.) if you think it's something I should really look at. I'm having trouble figuring out an adequate size and configuration for Chaos Warrior units is a 2000 point force, which Marks really do the business, stuff like that. Any help you can give me in this regard would be awesome.

When it comes to characters and Special/Rare units, I plan on having a little more fun, which is why I'm so concerned about getting a solid Core selection locked in. With that accomplished, I can feel a little better about adding a large unit of Trolls or Ogres(maybe even both, I dig monsters...), and having an Exalted of Tzeentch floating around on a Disc and causing havoc...that sort of thing.

Looking forward to seeing what you think!

[TheOneHawk]

18 MoK halberd warriors 6 wide 3 deep. Blender style warriors.

20 MoT HW/S warriors 5 wide 4 deep. Brick wall style warriors.

18 MoN halberd warriors with banner of rage. Blender style warriors with a defensive upgrade.

MoS is pretty useless on warriors.

Blasted standard is great on MoT warriors if you're facing a shooting heavy army.

40 MoK GW marauders 10X4, best damage per point in the game.

40 MoT LA HW/S marauders 5x8, steadfast tankyish tarpit.

[Fritzington]

Thank you very, very much, TheOneHawk! That's pretty much exactly what I was looking for; a good selection of solid, useful, and overall just great Core infantry blocks that will form the backbone of my Warriors of Chaos list(s). Perfect.

I'm pretty much okay with Mark of Slaanesh being rather useless when applied to Chaos Warriors, as I've got some other places in the army I can picture myself using the said Mark, if the need arises or I just end up feeling like it. I do tend to like a more..."unified" type of Chaos army, where there is a mixture of Marks and such. The way I see it is that various champions of the Dark Gods, under the banner of the army's Lord(or Sorcerer Lord, more likely in my case...), bring along their followers and throw their lot in with the rest...however temporary such alliances and allegiances may end up being. It makes for a more pleasing spectacle and overall diverse force, in my opinion. So that said, I'm super glad to see that the various Marks are all pretty much used in some way or another, and can come together to make a deadly army list.

Thanks again, TheOneHawk, this has been insanely helpful. These are the units that will allow me to be a little more playful and diverse in the other things that I include in whatever army list I decide to write up. In fact, now that I have this bit of a guideline to go by, I can carry on planning out my collection, writing up army lists with a lot more confidence, and generally get on with it

[hightimes]

Hey WoC players,
Coming from a Skaven and Orcs & Gobo's player what would you say are the weakness in WoC after reading their codex they seem quite OP and difficult to fight.
What have you found to be the best tactics against WoC?

[Metacarpi]

Hey WoC players,
Coming from a Skaven and Orcs & Gobo's player what would you say are the weakness in WoC after reading their codex they seem quite OP and difficult to fight.
What have you found to be the best tactics against WoC?

Against WoC? Range.

WoC have good magic, but at a high cost points wise, and barring the Hellcannon, they have no shooting. Use this to your advantage and try to soften them up with multiple casters, cannons etc.

Basically, reduce their numbers before they hit CC.

Also, anything that can force Panic tests. Granted, they're not likely to fail them - but it's bound to happen eventually! Example - Scorch from the Skaven Lore of Ruin is a template spell that forces a Panic test for unsaved wounds.

[hightimes]

Thanks Meta what would you say is the best way to deal with their warrors should i just through some large cheap steadfast unit at them and let them get butchered and fight everything else (99% sure my opponent will have a horde of these guys) or should i take them on with big un savages of my own?

[Metacarpi]

Thanks Meta what would you say is the best way to deal with their warrors should i just through some large cheap steadfast unit at them and let them get butchered and fight everything else (99% sure my opponent will have a horde of these guys) or should i take them on with big un savages of my own?

I don't know about O&G as I'm a Skaven player, but I imagine the principle is the same.

Large chaff unit (in my case Slaves) to tangle them up, try and get flank charges with anything big and hitty (in my case, Plague Monks with Plague Banner, HPA etc).

In truth though, I'd probably try and whittle them down at range, and then leave them tied up with chaff whilst I try and get VP's elsewhere. Can be tricky though, as a good WoC player will know that's what you'll be trying to do.

[hightimes]

Thanks again Metacarpi ^^

[grhino]

A chariot with an exalted carring the ASF sword and the stream of corruption would be more pts effecient.

that would def. hurt them. However, it obviously depends on the size of the enemy unit whether he'd survive the encounter ultimately. Against mediocre sized units he'd do very well and possibly kill all or most of them on impact before they get to strike him back. Throwing in several chariots is even better!!!

[SlayerMonka]

in regard to the chariot question, I always run a pair of chariots, and try and stick them in the same unit and the same time. I tend to use Mark of slaanesh on the chariots. Its cheap and normally fear and terror causes tend to be big single model units.

I have a question for everyone? what are people builds for disc combat character? I am wanting a character to hit small missle units (possible mage bunkers) and war machine also pesky fast cavalry and skirmishers units.

The build I was thinking of is;

Exalted,
Tzeentch,
Disc,
Golden Eye,
Bloody Roar,
Flail

all for 189pts

come with 4 I6 attack at str 7, 3+ sv, 3++ vs magic and shooting. also adding a bit range fire power?

what people think?

[Panzer MkIV]

Seems nice

Maybe replace the flail with a shield for more protecion. If you want to counter those small support units str 5 will be more than enough.

This is the build I'm using in a battle against Lizardmen in a couple of days to counter skinks and salamanders

Exalted Champion
Mark of Tzeentch, Disk, shield, Dragonhelm, Dawnstone and Bloodcurdling roar

200pts and a 1+ rerollable armour save

This is the list I've been thinking about but it looks too small with too much points in characters

Lord

Sorcerer lord 310pts
Enchanted shield, Necrotic Phylactery, Crown of command, Spell familliar
Lore of Fire or Heavens

Heroes

Exalted champion 190pts
BSB, Shield, Warrior Bane, Talisman of Preservation

Exalted Champion 200pts
Mark of Tzeentch, Disk, shield, Dragonhelm, Dawnstone and Bloodcurdling roar

Core

18 Chaos Warriors 378pts
FC, shields, Mark of Tzeentch, Blasted Standard

5 Chaos hounds 30pts

5 Chaos hounds 30pts

Special

5 Chaos Knights 230pts
Standard, musician

5 Chaos Knights 230pts
Standard, musician

Total 1598pts

Total models: 41

I haven't played against Lizardmen in 7 years and never with this army. Maybe I'm just a bit too paranoid about a skink heavy army that can just run rings around my army.

Any advice would be appreciated

Other models in my collection: 12 Chaos Warrior of Khorne with halberds and FC, 35 Marauders with shields/flails, 5 Marauder horsemen, 1 Chaos chariot, 3 Dragon Ogres with GW/AHW, 1 Chaos hero on steed and 1 Tzeentch sorcerer.

[TheOneHawk]

Just a thought, can you take a caster with the dragonbane gem, then give an enemy unit flaming attacks so you get a 2+ ward?

That would be *********** hilariously mean.

[Tayrod]

in regard to the chariot question, I always run a pair of chariots, and try and stick them in the same unit and the same time. I tend to use Mark of slaanesh on the chariots. Its cheap and normally fear and terror causes tend to be big single model units.

I have a question for everyone? what are people builds for disc combat character? I am wanting a character to hit small missle units (possible mage bunkers) and war machine also pesky fast cavalry and skirmishers units.

The build I was thinking of is;

Exalted,
Tzeentch,
Disc,
Golden Eye,
Bloody Roar,
Flail

all for 189pts

come with 4 I6 attack at str 7, 3+ sv, 3++ vs magic and shooting. also adding a bit range fire power?

what people think?

remember, you only have 4 attacks (+1 lousy disc attack), so on average you'll only do 2-3 wounds, if you're up against a unit with 2 ranks and a banner, you could be hard pressed to break them on the charge - even worse if you're going after a 20 man bunker. If I were you, I'd drop the roar for the stream of corruption. On average, It will do like 2-3 kills, which will help tip the balance for you on the charge (who knows, it might even cancel out rank bonus)

[SlayerMonka]

Yeah though the stream one shot only. and kill from breath weapon in combat do not count toward combat res.

[Walls]

Uh, yes they do.

[Havock]

He is not supposed to charge any serious unit alone. Charge fast cav, warmachines and the like and set up a flank charge with your warriors going in through the front door. Also, no flail, in this case you can take a charmed shield and a sword of might. S6 suffices for most things.

[Lafkak]

IMO, I like to equip my disc Exalteds with a charmed shield (or enchanted shield) and a halberd. That way you save 15 or so points from not getting the Sword of Might, and the downside (losing 1-2 AS in CC) is negligible with the kinds of units he should be targeting (fast cav, war machines, etc.). Flail used to be really awesome in 7th when it auto-destroyed chariots, but with that no longer the case it's not really much better than S6 IMO.

[Dreadlordpaul]

hey guys so a good friend of mine has offered to teach me how to play properly so i made a 2k undivided list and i just want to see what people think of the characters set up

Lord
Chaos Lord 300 points
Shield
ToP
Dragon helm
Biting Blade
Blood Curdling Roar

Exalted Hero
Shield
BSB
MoK
Collar Of Khorne
Other Tricksters Shard

Chaos Sorceror
Level 2
MoT
Infernal Puppet

Core
39x Chaos Maruders 245 points (bsb goes here)
MoK
Flails
FC

23x Chaos Warriores 395 points (lord goes here)
Shields
FC

`5x Warhounds 30 points

5x Warhounds 30 points

5x Warhounds 30 points

5x Warhounds 30 points

Special
6x Chaos Knights 335 points
MoN
Standard and Muscian
Banner of Rage

Rare
Chaos Warshrine 150 points
MoT

Btw the sorceror stays near the warriors to benefit from LoS