Tactica: Warriors of Chaos 8th Ed

[Shadow_Steed]

Thank you for the answers!

Have anyone tried this: (For friendly fluffy games): Cast Doom and Darkness on an enemy elite unit making them 3- LD, then Aspect of the dread knight on (the terror version) on let's say 5 marauder horsemen (which is deployed say 12'' away from the enemy) then hoping that the enemy unit won't be able to charge due to fear test and then on your turn you charge with your terror-causing horsemen hoping that they fail their LD test and flee.

Excuse me if this sounds like a total mess, I just came up with it looking in the rule book.

Regards

[Akkaryn]

It's more commonly used with the hell cannon. But either could work. If you add in the magic banner of giving enemies in los -1 ld its quite easy to get people to run.

[GodlessM]

Thank you for the answers!

Have anyone tried this: (For friendly fluffy games): Cast Doom and Darkness on an enemy elite unit making them 3- LD, then Aspect of the dread knight on (the terror version) on let's say 5 marauder horsemen (which is deployed say 12'' away from the enemy) then hoping that the enemy unit won't be able to charge due to fear test and then on your turn you charge with your terror-causing horsemen hoping that they fail their LD test and flee.

Excuse me if this sounds like a total mess, I just came up with it looking in the rule book.

Regards

You misunderstand how Fear and Terror work; there is no test to charge a Fear or Terror causing enemy.

[Shadow_Steed]

I didn't think of that! =)

A rules question: Does our Warhounds still not count toward the 50% minimum core unit requirement?

[TheOneHawk]

They still do not count.

[Efrovius]

I have a 2k WoC vs DoC battle in a week or so. I’m pretty sure I will see one of the four Greater Daemons, a Herald that gives ASF in a 20ish unit of Deamonettes, 5 – 15 Flamers, 3-ish Bloodcrushers on Juggernauts, 5-ish Flesh Hounds, and then I don’t know.

I’m looking for relevant input from someone who has faced this or a (very) similar list. Specifics on how to slow down/kill the Maj D, what lore would work best, which WoC units to match up to his units, etc. would be appreciated. I’ve seen his list in action before and it’s not all that fun to play against. My opponent is excessively competitive, a pretty good tactician, rolls dice better than anyone I know… and my brother. He must die. Thoughts?

I could also take the Empire. Would they be a better match-up? Lore of Light, Cannons, Hellblaster, etc.?

[hazmiter]

Best bet is to use the warhounds as chaff to redirect his units.
I have not faced daemons, but I do hear that they have strong magic phases.
Helcannon?

[scubasteve04]

I have a 2k WoC vs DoC battle in a week or so. I’m pretty sure I will see one of the four Greater Daemons, a Herald that gives ASF in a 20ish unit of Deamonettes, 5 – 15 Flamers, 3-ish Bloodcrushers on Juggernauts, 5-ish Flesh Hounds, and then I don’t know.

I’m looking for relevant input from someone who has faced this or a (very) similar list. Specifics on how to slow down/kill the Maj D, what lore would work best, which WoC units to match up to his units, etc. would be appreciated. I’ve seen his list in action before and it’s not all that fun to play against. My opponent is excessively competitive, a pretty good tactician, rolls dice better than anyone I know… and my brother. He must die. Thoughts?

I could also take the Empire. Would they be a better match-up? Lore of Light, Cannons, Hellblaster, etc.?

I had some issues fighting a competitive Daemons list. The hard part is that daemons are amazing in close combat, and standard WoC melee just doesnt cut it. It took me to take a 3+ ward dual shrine chosen deathstar to best them.

Greater daemons, especially bloodthirsters, are a nightmare because our combat heroes cannot go toe to toe with them and they chew through high armored elites. My only answer is my level 4 on a disc with bloodcurdling roar to follow it around stripping wounds, hopefully killing it. Yes, the thirster has a 3+ ward versus spells (and so does kairos) but a few gateways will still do some damage. Throw in bloodcurdling roar doing a wound or two and it will die quick. Hellcannons are another option, but not as great as cannons for targetting monsters. Only safe way I have found to kill a thirster 1 on 1 is Gaulrauch with his 2D6 toughness tests or die breath of change when in a challenge.

Found no issue with Daemonettes. I just slam a block of chaos knights into them and let them go to town (pray he doesn't get mindrazor off)

Bloodcrushers I am not familiar with but a ranked unit with possibly a BSB should be able to whittle them down.

Flamers I tend to ignore as I never really have a viable target for them to shoot. They don't do much damage to blocks of warriors, knights, marauders or hellcannons or warshrines. They will kill warhounds but big deal there. If you run casters on discs, ensure to take dragonbane gem or helm for the 2+ ward save. Shoot them with magic or charge them if you can because unlike most good skirmishers they cannot flee.

[TheOneHawk]

Don't take trolls, the flamers will decimate them turn one.

Combat hero with Helm of Many Eyes and Glaive of Putrefaction, might be able to cripple the greater daemon with some luck.

[hazmiter]

Chosen, might want favour of the gods, screaming banner (fear terror).
Gives a good chance at getting your 3++ and stubborn.
Your fighty lord, give him collar of khorne, mark of tzeentch, and glaive of putrefication.

[danny-d-b]

I wouldn't try and use a combat lord to take a blood thirster, he's likely to have the armour of ignoring weapons, best bet is hellcannon to the face

[Efrovius]

Good inputs. Do you folks recommending the Hellcannon have any tips on how to keep the thing on target? I have only had success with it (shooting) when there are massed troops. Scatter is a horrible thing. Clearly, Trolls will die immediately. I'm thinking Banner of Rage (for ItP to nullify his Fear/Terror) and MoN on a group of Knights (don't think MoT at 6++ will do me much good here), probably MoT on a couple of Warrior unitss for the 5+ W Save, clearly a Warshrine (hadn't thought of 2). Are Chosen really worth the points? I would still like to use 40 MoK GW Marauders to (possibly) bog down his Daemonettes. I like the idea of floating around the G Daemon on a disk to peck away at him. Does anyone use Lore of Light vs these guys. Sounds like it is designed with DoC in mind. Possibly with a Shadow - Light combo?

[hazmiter]

Chosen get a free EotG roll at the start of the game, with the unit champion using favour of the gods, the unit rerolls 7s and 2s. With the screaming banner they reroll 10s and 11s.
Cheeky part now.
These are your rerollable numbers w favour of the gods and banner.
2,3,6,7,8,9,10.
Obviously move the result from 11 to a 12.
With a collar of khorne in the unit, and mark of tzeentch, they have 3+ wards, and 1+ ward vs magic that allows ward saves.
Results of 4 and 5 cannot be rerolled.
+1 T, Str, are good to have. Give them halbeards for killyness, or blender style w pair hws.
2 warshrines give 3 shots at it. Optimally you want your ward and stubborn, +1 toughness and +1strength or attack.

[Trustey]

Festus is great support for an infantry block, but I would suggest fielding him in a 5 wide unit with an exalted on palanquin so he's in the second rank. Dude is super squisy, no armour, just 5+regen.

That's a good idea, a Palanquin is super fluffy in a Festus/Nurgle list too. He actually has 4-6 regen though, and confers 5-6 regen on his unit. Anyone ever played Festus with a character with Soporific Musk? It might give him the pursuit he needs to get his double victory points.

You need direct LOS for Buboes though don't you? I guess most of the other spells play like hexes and augments, you could keep casting even when the unit is in CC.

I imagine a Lord with shadow, or even a Book of Secrets with the signature spell would really compliment a Nurgle list too.

[hazmiter]

Withering and festus chosen spell is literal murder.

[Shadow_Steed]

Would you say that a unit of 10 knights is worth it's points? Or is it better to have 2x 5?

[Djekar]

I've run units of 10 knights to good effect. The thing for me about 10 vs. 5 is that 10 can absorb that incoming fire better - and as chaos knights, they certainly draw the incoming fire.

[GodlessM]

Withering and festus chosen spell is literal murder.

But very hard to execute.

[Trustey]

But very hard to execute.

Yeah I've thought about that, you'd need a great magic phase you could only maybe force one through but not two. Also you'd need to buy Festus and a level 4 for a shot at having both spells.

I think Festus alone is great value for his points though. I think it would be fun to run him behind a palanquin as suggested, but the palanquin equipped with blasphemous amulet, and the Festering Shroud on the SB, forcing the whole front rank to take a toughness test probably at a modified value.

Fun and fluffy but there are better standards and items.

[Trustey]

Okay here's a question... dealing with ethereal units like VC wraiths. They can bypass your armor, we rarely have magical attacks, and they are faster than most chaos units. Seems like tying them up, or trolls are a great option. How else?
Are there any ethereal units that are super hard to deal with? A force to be reckoned with? I'm not too familiar with new VC.