Tactica: Warriors of Chaos 8th Ed

[hazmiter]

Hexwraiths are nasty, come in batches of 5-10, magical, flaming attacks that ignore armour.
Most etherials you would need to combat res the hell out of, ie wraiths, spirit hosts, the carriage of magical abilities
Or at the very least use lore of metals blades of aibain I think it is? Don't have the book
Most players with etherials will have them hit your vulnerable units.
Hexwraiths are nasty due to vanguard, and march 18 if general is in 12, also can move through units and hurt them.

[Renka]

In what formation are you guys running your Warriors?
I want two units with the Mark of Nurgle (one with additional hand weapons and one with shields), what size and formation would you guys recommend (if at all, concerning the shield option which I guess isn't very popular )? I was thinking 21 models or so each, three ranks of seven?

[Efrovius]

In what formation are you guys running your Warriors?
I want two units with the Mark of Nurgle (one with additional hand weapons and one with shields), what size and formation would you guys recommend (if at all, concerning the shield option which I guess isn't very popular )? I was thinking 21 models or so each, three ranks of seven?

Haven't heard of anyone running them in ranks of seven. Six is a very popular rank number as it maximizes the number of models in contact with many units and allows more attacks to be used (and come your way). If you read this entire string, I believe you will find Lore of Tzeentch Warriors with Sword and Shield is a pretty popular configuration as it gives a 3+ A Save and a 5+ W Save. Combine that with the Blasted Standard (the 5+ W Save vs shooting attacks one, if that's not its name) and your Warriors are sitting pretty at 3+, 4++ vs Shooting, 5+ in CC. For Core troops, that aint bad. This configuration is better against War Machines that don't use BS as Nurgle wouldn't help. Routinely facing a Dwarf or Empire gun-line, I also deploy those guys in a 2-deep formation initially (2 x 9, for example), then Swift Reform prior to the turn I will Charge. It has helped me reach the opponent without losing very many to cannon-fire. A fat block of Warriors is way too tempting a target for cannons.
The Math-Hammer-ists will also tell you that Halberds are better/will kill more than the Additional Hand Weapons. I have seen the numbers but have had some really good success vs. Strength 3 and 4 opponents since Warriors sport that Initiative of 5. For tougher critters, I'm sure the Halberd is a great option and will be more useful. I really liked a unit I gave AHW and MoK - Warriors with 5/4 Attacks a pop. It was a beautiful sight to see.

[White_13oy]

I have a question for those that have purchased the Chaos Lord on Manticore model. Are the body parts mixable? I really don't like the bald CL head, and I like the Sorc Scythe as a weapon. Would it be possible to have the Sorc head and weapon and the CL Body?

[Renka]

Haven't heard of anyone running them in ranks of seven. Six is a very popular rank number as it maximizes the number of models in contact with many units and allows more attacks to be used (and come your way). If you read this entire string, I believe you will find Lore of Tzeentch Warriors with Sword and Shield is a pretty popular configuration as it gives a 3+ A Save and a 5+ W Save. Combine that with the Blasted Standard (the 5+ W Save vs shooting attacks one, if that's not its name) and your Warriors are sitting pretty at 3+, 4++ vs Shooting, 5+ in CC. For Core troops, that aint bad. This configuration is better against War Machines that don't use BS as Nurgle wouldn't help. Routinely facing a Dwarf or Empire gun-line, I also deploy those guys in a 2-deep formation initially (2 x 9, for example), then Swift Reform prior to the turn I will Charge. It has helped me reach the opponent without losing very many to cannon-fire. A fat block of Warriors is way too tempting a target for cannons.
The Math-Hammer-ists will also tell you that Halberds are better/will kill more than the Additional Hand Weapons. I have seen the numbers but have had some really good success vs. Strength 3 and 4 opponents since Warriors sport that Initiative of 5. For tougher critters, I'm sure the Halberd is a great option and will be more useful. I really liked a unit I gave AHW and MoK - Warriors with 5/4 Attacks a pop. It was a beautiful sight to see.

I would go for halberds, only I don't know if I could manage to convert them properly. One unit deployed wide and with haldberds for a hammer and one unit deeper with shields for an anvil perhaps. Alas, I don't know where I'd get the halberds from.

[White_13oy]

You can buy ten halberds from Gw for $12.25 I believe.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440112a&prodId=prod1570 033

[Renka]

Thanks! That's a great tip.
Do you wager they'll put them in the box for when they redo the army book?

[White_13oy]

I'd say no, the halberds are metal and it'll take a resulpt for Gw to put it in the box. Even then I doubt they would.

[Trustey]

Thanks! That's a great tip.
Do you wager they'll put them in the box for when they redo the army book?

I doubt the Warrior box will get re-done anytime soon.
Beastmen axes, Chaos Knight lances/HW off eBay are cheaper. Metal great weapons from GW are nice but they are modeled two handed, so no hand for a shield left unlike the halberd bits. If you don't need strict WYSIWYG there's a lot of cool stuff.

[White_13oy]

Has anyone purchased to CL on Manticore?

[MyNameDidntFit]

Thanks! That's a great tip.
Do you wager they'll put them in the box for when they redo the army book?

As Trustey mentioned in his post--use Chaos Knight lances. They look great as halberds: here's a picture of a few from my army (not painted by me, though! ).

[Renka]

Unfortunately I don't have any such lances since I use my old 6th edition metal Knights.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6nRxFbsqgd...os_knights.gif (stock photo)

I'll see if I can find some other alternatives though; I really would prefer to have some halberds for my warriors.

[pointyteeth]

Renka - you can make halberds out of the hand weapons that come with the chaos warriors. Cut the swords off just above the hilt and pin to the top of the axes, then attach to brass rod. Presto.

On topic: I go with halberds on my warriors, but I would consider additionals depending on my spell choices. Lore of shadow with a toughness debuff or mindrazor makes those extra attacks better than halberds in some cases as the halberds are generally already wounding on 2+ or 3+.

[Efrovius]

Has anyone purchased to CL on Manticore?

I have, but I have not gotten to it yet so I can't tell you if the parts are interchangeable. Galrauch has been monopolizing my modeling time. Eee gads what a horrible model. The Manticore's time is coming though. I will look at it tonight and see what I can find for you.

[Shadow_Steed]

Are there any consensus nowadays regarding 1) The Banner of Rage- Does both the rider and the horse get +1A? 2) Okkamz Razor- Does the enhanced strength negate armour saves?

I have looked through the GW FAQ- Without results. Have I missed something or have they not said anything at all? =)

Regards.

[danny-d-b]

Okay here's a question... dealing with ethereal units like VC wraiths. They can bypass your armor, we rarely have magical attacks, and they are faster than most chaos units. Seems like tying them up, or trolls are a great option. How else?
Are there any ethereal units that are super hard to deal with? A force to be reckoned with? I'm not too familiar with new VC.

chaos knights- wraith's I don't think stike before them and with 10-15 magical attacks (depending on marks/banner) you should be able to kill a lot of them before they stike back

[White_13oy]

Thanks, I appreciate the time.

[Rosstifer]

Are there any consensus nowadays regarding 1) The Banner of Rage- Does both the rider and the horse get +1A? 2) Okkamz Razor- Does the enhanced strength negate armour saves?

I have looked through the GW FAQ- Without results. Have I missed something or have they not said anything at all? =)

Regards.

Banner of Rage is an iffy one, but I don't give the horses extra attacks, neither does anyone I know. Mindrazor does effect armour saves, it's in the main rulebook FAQ.

[Shadow_Steed]

Banner of Rage is an iffy one, but I don't give the horses extra attacks, neither does anyone I know. Mindrazor does effect armour saves, it's in the main rulebook FAQ.

Hmm ok thanks. I don't find this in the FAQ on GW's page though. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/co...e=true&start=2 . Is this the one?

[TheOneHawk]

I've never had a problem with ethereals. Magic, magic weapons, knights and trolls are more than enough to wreck them with. Particularly Rot, Glorious Rot, since it can quite easily take out several ethereal units in one fell swoop.