Tactica: Warriors of Chaos 8th Ed

[MrMasochist]

If it is equal or higher init I apologise.

Then the result is 6.5 to 5.2 - Still close.

The 5+ thing is a typo cuz of my phone. The maths is correct for a 4+ not a 5+. Sorry.

So its not a big ask to win that combat. The HE unit is also worth more points assuming three ranks on each side so if you do get the win and they break awesome. And if they stick around you can reform to also be 8wide and add extra attacks for the next combat round to help with winning the next round.

Thanks guys

MrMasochist

[Meleth]

Yeah unfortunately it's equal or higher I was trying to get my signature shadow spell off to lower it, to stop the reolls but couldn't get i through his magic defense. meanwhile he had cast plague of rust twice on my warrior units.

Haven't worked through the maths totally but in the game itself he beat me by 3 combat res I failed my leadership test and reroll and got caught by the elves and that was nearly half my army gone, which was definitely a bit unlucky! But the problem is this is what was happening all over the board that along with the archers and bolt throwers wearing down my units meant I just couldn't beat him in combat.

Going to have another go and hope it goes better this time because it was embarrassingly bad!

[MrMasochist]

Seems like a bit of bad luck rather than a failing of your army.

I find that heroes are less and less useful in 8th. Maybe consider dropping your exalted, mounting your bsb to shift around as needed and puting more warriors in your units 24 is a good number. 6*4 means half the unit has to be dead before you get less effective.

I would also consider more magic - lvl1 tzeentch with flickering fire will help whittle those units before you arrive. Also good against warmachines. Mounted is only 111 points. Good value.

You opponent has taken metal lore if I remember my spells correctly. Seems to have customized his army to fight warriors. You should.do the same...

MrMasochist

[MrMasochist]

Ive just looked back and realise you Dont have an exalted. Sorry

[puckus10]

Nurgle as a mark may have been nerfed, but as a lore it still can be nasty. Maybe even skip the requisite Blood of T in favor of the Power Familiar to have a good chance for all the nasty Nurgle spells. A sorcerer with 5 shadows spells in a cheap marauder bunker also has appeal, even if it is me rolling the dice...

BiRoll

This is what I do because I want as many Of the nurgle spells as I can so I just take the familiar. It works great and I still have 85 pts left of magic items which I use on the armor of morrisleb and the 50pt sword that gives you +1 strength, weaponskill, and attack. This is from memory as I do not wish to walk 5 steps to my book.

[MrMasochist]

Hey,

Just a thought. Do people underestimate the awesomeness of the blade of striking as much as it seems? +1 to hit for 15pts is great. Won so many challenges vs other elite guys simply because im hitting on 2+ alot of the time. Vs HE heroes its 2+,2+, no armour or 6+, then whatever ward save they have. Not uncommon to kill hero lvl characters first round. Its very useful for chaos with our high strength and ws.

Anyone know of anything more useful for the points?

MrMasochist

[Leth Shyish'phak]

Halberd?

If I take a magic weapon on a Chaos Lord, I like something big and smashy. +1 to hit is nice, but ASF is generally better and you can take the Helm and a scarier magic weapon. Generally, I wouldn't think that 5(6) S5 attacks is enough. Magic weapons that I use are: Hellfire Sword, Giant Blade, Sword of Bloodshed or the Sword of Anti-Heroes, all combined with the Helm of Many Eyes (usually the MoK too). If I ever have to choose between a magic weapon and the helm, I take the helm.

[Havock]

Heh, tried out my 2400 pts list versus an empire list with the following
-level 4 Metal (wanted to 'try' that one)
-level 2 Metal (Sure you do)
-Archlector
-Warrior priest (mounted)
----
-20-ish swordsmen
-bunch of flaggies
-12-ish handgunners
-5 knights with banner/musician
----
-20-ish greatswords
2x Cannon
2x mortar
----
Steam Tank

Despite the obvious Metal tailoring I managed to pull a minor victory from it, I also assasinated his level 4 by final transmuation-ing his greatsword-castle.
Hellcannon rampaged forward turn 1 and was charged by the knights (Spent the rest of the game in combat)
On the other side of the board, his Stank didn't really get to do a whole lot either, charge doggies in on his turn = profit.

[Davidian]

Afternoon folks.

Thought I'd drop in with my warhound tactics of recent.

Chaos Warhounds: Not just for christmas

Since 8th ed the little fellas have had a hard time, with TLoS and the way charges are redirected but I've been using them to good effect recently.

Using 20-25 dependant on the list, most obvious is to deploy them first [I'm sure that's a no-brainer] to get the most out of scouting your opponents deployment and reacting accordingly.

*NOTE* against hordes I've been using units of 5 :: against smaller elite forces I've been using 10's [in aid of securing a +1 mod to getting the first turn]

most of my common opponents have irritating scout units... of most note are one of my friend's Chameleon Skinks [a good reason my giant doesn't leave his box too often].

I've been tasking my hounds to run them down in pairs. Both units charge, only one gets shot and the other hits home whether the other fled or not. The nicest part is that they can freely charge into woods [a favourite dogging spot for scouts] without falling on their own swords as per cavalry.

[Eta]

Hey,

Just a thought. Do people underestimate the awesomeness of the blade of striking as much as it seems? +1 to hit for 15pts is great. Won so many challenges vs other elite guys simply because im hitting on 2+ alot of the time. Vs HE heroes its 2+,2+, no armour or 6+, then whatever ward save they have. Not uncommon to kill hero lvl characters first round. Its very useful for chaos with our high strength and ws.

Anyone know of anything more useful for the points?

MrMasochist

You know that the Sword of Striking costs 30 points, don't you? You have to use the point cost from the armybook, not from the rulebook.

[MrMasochist]

I had not looked in the army book. At 15 points it was mathematically one of the best but at 30 it falls short. And I wasn't talking about MoK or Helm. Just the weapon itself. Halberds are a good option if you use up your magic allowance elsewhere but s6 is overkill against many armies.

Thanks guys

MrMasochist

[Sandals]

s6 is overkill against many armies.

'Fraid not, Str6 is the new Str7. At least in my local Meta

Anyway, common logic would ask why you're running a fighty hero at all? Surely it's just Lvl4, Lvl2 and BSB - is that not what everyone uses? [/sarcasm]
If you do want to use him, try and focus on a specific role for him. Is he going to be targetting enemy characters? Then get ASF and high strength, and some sort of Ward. Are you going defensive/support? Crown of Command, big Armour save and Ward save. Offense is secondary in this build. Are you going hunting? Something that moves fast (Disc or horse, Jugger could work too) and Shield of Ptolos would be a good bet.
It all depends on his role within the rest of your army.

[Leth Shyish'phak]

And I wasn't talking about MoK or Helm. Just the weapon itself. Halberds are a good option if you use up your magic allowance elsewhere but s6 is overkill against many armies.

Strength 6 is useful against any army with toughness 4+ models or armour saves of 3+ or better; so pretty much every army in the game. The helm makes the Sword of Striking fairly pointless (as does the Sword of Swift Slaying, but even more so), I generally consider it to be an auto-include for any Chaos Lord. As for the MoK, it grants a bigger bonus for a better magic weapon.

[Harwammer]

@Sandals: I agree with most of what you said but I don't see the point in taking the Shield of Ptolos when chaos armour + mounted + enchanted shield gives a 1+ save vs everything for less points.

[MrMasochist]

I actually have been using it on my bsb in a lvl4, lvl2, bsb build. Bsb is mounted and engages for flanking support. Striking has been working well but ill be dropping it given the higher price. I think that my feelings on s6 being redundant are due to me shadowing the enemy before engaging. I mostly play against WoC but they are frequently -d3 toughness. So I guess that could be a matter of actual games being different than mathshammer. The 2+ is more important when your fighting -d3ws, bs, init, ld, toughness guys.

Thanks

MrMasochist.

[Leth Shyish'phak]

My Exalted Sorcerer is generally less sneaky than that, he prefers to just see how many enemies he can send to the warp/explode/crush/set on fire.

[Quinn]

Does anyone have any thoughts on a 'Throne of Skulls' build? I qualified with a 2250 army, so using that one is out of the question. I can use a Lvl 4, BSB, Warriors, Marauders, Hellcannon cookie-cutter build that I'm getting bored with as I write this. I could also do the Chosen of Tzeentch build that ensures that I'll be hard to wrack up points against but also ensures that everyone will hate playing against me...

The build that actually gets me excited to play is a Khorne build. I've already got most of this army built and painted to a high standard (I won Player's choice at Genghis Con last weekend..so it does pretty well in painting competitions) and only need to tweak it a bit for Vegas. I'm just a bit hesitant to run it at the SoT tournament against a bunch of heavy-magic armies. I have been considering doing a 'High-priest of Khorne' character build (as people on here have talked about) in order to mitigate the lack of Magic a bit.

If you've read the rulepack you know that the scoring is a bit whacked. 3pts/1pt/0pts for a Win/Draw/Loss with up to 5 additional points available for 'Favorite Army Opponent' votes. Then you compete against all the other WoC players for 'Best General' of your army-type and then the highest scoring margin winner of all the different Armies wins the overall.
With that in mind, it seems that the additional 5 points will be crucial. So a WAAC build may win you a few battles but lose the war. Any thoughts on what type of builds that people are going to run? I am mainly in this one for the experience and to have fun, but I don't want to get curb-stomped five games in a row. Do you guys think that a Khorne army would have any chance? A short version of what I was thinking is:

2000 points
Khorne Lord on Foot
" " BSB on Foot
50 Khorne Marauders w GW
17 Khorne Warriors w Hal/Sh
17 Khorne " " w AHW
2 Khorne Chariots
3 units of Dogs
This is definitely in flux right now, all of the above units are ready to play. I've got a few months to tweak it if I need to. Or I could go with some type of other build... Give me some opinions please.

[MrMasochist]

Chariots seem dubious to me in 8th. Steeds dont get the extra attack from MoK so you are paying alot for two extra attacks. No steadfast or rank cancelling means that they can dish out damage but are unlikely to stick around. For the points MoK ogres 3x2 seem better value. Additional hand weapons are also less useful than halberds. I also question whether the lord is necessary. Lots of points that aren't really that much more killy than an exalted. The extra points will help buy more warriors.

The list otherwise seems strong. I havent played all khorne since 7th so id be interested to see how it goes without magic and shooting phases.

I would consider 7 wide in a pro tourney like ToS. Most of your opponents will be wide enough that you get the benefit of the extra 4 attacks each round.

Good luck,

MrMasochist

[Phoenix Puzzle]

Chariots seem dubious to me in 8th. Steeds dont get the extra attack from MoK so you are paying alot for two extra attacks.

The MoK does give the steed an extra attack because in the MoK's description it says that the 'model' with the mark are frenzied meaning the Rider & Mount.

[Havock]

That's a can of worms to open