Tactica: Warriors of Chaos 8th Ed

[inq.serge]

there is no need to use the lore of Tzeentch because the bearer does not become a sorcerer but only knows a random spell.

Exept that he gets +1 to cast from tzeentch, can use sorcerer only gifts and arcane items, and becomes a sorcerer (who can't use lore of tzeentch)

[Magot]

Exept that he gets +1 to cast from tzeentch, can use sorcerer only gifts and arcane items, and becomes a sorcerer (who can't use lore of tzeentch)

yes you are correct, even better explained than I could say it, thanks .

I now remember a discussion that a Sorcerer with a Book of Secrets is not a good idea, because he is automatically reduced to a Lvl 1 and indeed not allowed to use Tzeentch,
But for an Exalted it seems fine for me and I can't see a back side of it.

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[Mr. Shine]

How does one get marauders with great weapons? I don't see any option from GW to get great weapons for the marauder models. Do you just equip them as they come in the box and then make it clear they are using great weapons?

You could also clip the chain off and swap with the head of some of the hand weapons

This is exactly what I've done with the Marauders I've assembled so far, and it works perfectly. You can also take some of the axe heads and the hammer head from the Warriors boxes, as they come with plenty of extra weapons. Unless you're equipping them all with extra hand weapons, though you should still have some left over.

As an aside, to keep my options open I'm intending to assemble at least 10 models with flails, and possibly 10 models with hand weapon and shield, just so that I can keep at least the front rank representing what they're equipped with, while the rest of the horde can be the rest of the models equipped with whatever. Great way to keep it clear to opponents but still have choice

[wolvie76]

Right... The big match is tomorrow and I've spent ages tooling up my dragon lord (thanks for all your help earlier ;-) )... But now I'm being tempted by Archaon instead...

So what do you all think? I'm running 4k and can't seem to get a decent lv4 in either way. So thoughts were Archy's lv2 Tz, bring another lv2 friend on a disc and a exalted on a disk with the book (fire) and that should leave me with a decent magic phase.

I think they would both hit like a tank, but is flying around better than all the extra stuff the ever chosen gets?

[Havock]

Exalted with book of secrets (lore of Shadow) and a scroll is a decent support choice. Give him a shield and MoT and he still has S5, 3+/5++

[Gradek]

I keep seeing army lists on here with halberds and shields for warriors/chosen. I didn't think it was possible to have both since the halberd is a two handed weapon. What is the right rule?

[Khal]

You can't use your halberd and your shield in Close Combat, but you can use it against shooting, so your warriors would have a 3+ save. Very point-efficient.

[RunepriestRidcully]

Hi again, my new 1000pts list is this:
Chaos Sorcerer with second level, Mark of Tzeentch, Disk of Tzeentch, Golden eye of Tzeentch and a Charmed shield 170pts
Core
20 Chaos warriors with shields, Mark of Tzeentch, Champion, Musician and Standard Bearer Blasted Standard 410pts
15 warriors of chaos with Mark Of Tzeentch and Shields 260pts
Rare
Chaos Warshrine with Mark of Tzeentch 150pts
Total:999pts my only concern about the smaller unit of warriors, do warriors cope okay without command? Also am wondering wherever anyone uses chaos hounds in their lists and wherever or not they go towards the core percentage.

[Gandalf the Gay]

Hey,

Is there a good way to run an exalted champion of khorne on foot? Any cool tricks to consider? Is it better to put the same character in a chariot?

My army is a quite even mix of infantry and cavalry, no monsters.

I have a model I want to use, and I want to use it as well as possible.

[Dreadlordpaul]

Hey guys this is the list I have come up with so far im aiming for 1500- 2000 points
Chaos lord of tzeench with shield tricksters helm talisman of presevation blood curdling roar and stream of corruption
Heroes
Chaos sorceror level 2 infernal puppet enchanted shield third eye of tzeennch mark of tzeench
core
23x chaos warriors with full command halberds and shield banner of rage and mark of nurgle

40x chaos maruders with full command great weapons and mark of khorne
5x war hounds
5x war hounds

Special
5x chaos knights with full command blasted standard and mark of tzeench

Rare
Chaos warshrine with mark of tzeench

I am buying this list tomorrow. Hpowever what i want to know is would maruder horsemen or more chaos knights suit this list

[Van Horstmann]

Played a 3.5k Game last night using a Double Chaos Lord/Double Warshrine/Double Knight Bus Build versus a relatively filthy Skaven list.
(Furnace, Bell, 2 WLC's, HPA, 4x50 Slaves)

Was very entertaining, had a cracking time using a list a little "Outside the Box".

The Lord builds were as follows;

Chaos Lord of Khorne with;
Jugger
Helm of Many Eyes
Dawnstone
Sword of Strife
(9 Khornate Knights & Blasted Std)
Warshrine Buff (+1T)

Chaos Lord of Nurgle with;
Barded Steed
Armour of Damnation
Chaos Runesword
Favour of the Gods
(9 Nurgle Knights & Banner of Rage)
Warshrine Buff (+1At)

The Khorne Unit removed the Furnace and 50 Monks whilst the Nurgle Unit put the Bell and 40 Stormvermin to bed.

Was a fun list to play with, supported by 2 Units of 8 Marauder Horsemen, 2 Units 40 Maruaders and a Tzeentch Warrior Bunker for a Level 2 Fire, Level 2 Death and the BSB.

[TheOneHawk]

Hi again, my new 1000pts list is this:
Chaos Sorcerer with second level, Mark of Tzeentch, Disk of Tzeentch, Golden eye of Tzeentch and a Charmed shield 170pts
Core
20 Chaos warriors with shields, Mark of Tzeentch, Champion, Musician and Standard Bearer Blasted Standard 410pts
15 warriors of chaos with Mark Of Tzeentch and Shields 260pts
Rare
Chaos Warshrine with Mark of Tzeentch 150pts
Total:999pts my only concern about the smaller unit of warriors, do warriors cope okay without command? Also am wondering wherever anyone uses chaos hounds in their lists and wherever or not they go towards the core percentage.

I wouldn't bother with the second unit of warriors. 2 units of warhounds never goes astray, but they don't count towards core percentage, not that you need to worry about that since you have 410 points of core from the main unit.

[RunepriestRidcully]

In that case I would drop the second warrior unit, and replace it with either:
A) a unit of ten war hounds and a unit of 5 knights naked (not to sure on this due to the way people say Calvary is not that good in 8th, plus it's small size and lack of mark of tzeentch is not good, and the number of hounds may not be enough.) or B) A chaos Chariot with mark of Tzeentch and either two packs of ten or just one pack of twenty warhounds.
Both options have units that are fast enough to make sure the sorcerer is not the only guy that close to the enemy, and both the chariot and knights have the whole "unit/thing of DOOOM running right at you" thing which could also take pressure form shooting at the warriors. TBH at the moment I am leaning towards the latter option.

[TheOneHawk]

Warhounds in units of five. They're there to die and redirect your enemies. Don't expect them to do anything else.

5 knights naked will be nasty in 1000 points. I'd go with 5 knights and 2 units of 5 warhounds, personally.

[FlashGordon]

You think people will be pissed of if i play with a Lord riding a fully equipped chimera(from the SoM book)? :>

[ivan55599]

chimera can be mount?

[Peregijn]

why not? if you ask your opponents permission of course.
what upgrades are you thinking about FlashGordon?

[snottlebocket]

why not? if you ask your opponents permission of course.
what upgrades are you thinking about FlashGordon?

I'd be rather miffed. Currently a chaos lord has the choice between a reasonably cheap but reasonably crappy manticore or a great but very expensive dragon.

The manticore isn't that great and the dragon banishes the chaos lord to larger games. A decked out chimera however is the best of both worlds, affordable yet fantastic and I think you could fit one into a 2k game. I'd seriously hate to encounter one of those ridden by a chaos lord.

[FlashGordon]

I'd be rather miffed. Currently a chaos lord has the choice between a reasonably cheap but reasonably crappy manticore or a great but very expensive dragon.

The manticore isn't that great and the dragon banishes the chaos lord to larger games. A decked out chimera however is the best of both worlds, affordable yet fantastic and I think you could fit one into a 2k game. I'd seriously hate to encounter one of those ridden by a chaos lord.

Hrm. I was going to equipp her with Venom ooze, Iron hard skin, Flaming Breath(not sure about this one though), Fiend tail and Rending Fangs for a total of 300pts or 270 without the flaming attacks.

The chaos Lord is undecided yet(im using the old chaos dragon rider lower part of the body but have not figured out the upper part yet).

Probably Diabolic Splendour, Collar or Khorne, Ogre blade and Mark of tzeentch.
And before you moan about Khorne and Tzeentch- Hes an Undivided Lord with Favours from all gods. DS from Slann and Ogre from Nurgle.

Its still gonna be expensive, but the manticore is crap for a chaos lord imo and the dragon is just too much for a 2000pts game.

[Gradek]

Hrm. I was going to equipp her with Venom ooze, Iron hard skin, Flaming Breath(not sure about this one though), Fiend tail and Rending Fangs for a total of 300pts or 270 without the flaming attacks.

Probably Diabolic Splendour, Collar or Khorne, Ogre blade and Mark of tzeentch.
And before you moan about Khorne and Tzeentch- Hes an Undivided Lord with Favours from all gods. DS from Slann and Ogre from Nurgle.

Its still gonna be expensive, but the manticore is crap for a chaos lord imo and the dragon is just too much for a 2000pts game.

I don't see how you can pull this off in a 2000 point game. The Lord naked is 210, the chimera is going to be a minimum of 270. That gives you a whopping 20 points to equip the lord with to stay within the 25%.

As a related question, would people generally have problems with someone using something like this or is it generally considered legal (using the Chimera as a mount)?