Tactica: Warriors of Chaos 8th Ed

[hazmiter]

Glaive of putrefication, collar of khorne, enchanted shield, mark of tzeentch. Good combo of items for a challenge lord? Or not?

[GodlessM]

Glaive of putrefication, collar of khorne, enchanted shield, mark of tzeentch. Good combo of items for a challenge lord? Or not?

Not sure what you mean by a challenge Lord, since there is no distinction in our characters (since they all have to challenge), but if using the Glaive, you should also have the Potion of Strength and be chasing down monsters.

[hazmiter]

I was thinking character killer
Had him kill krell that way.

[GodlessM]

I was thinking character killer
Had him kill krell that way.

Krell is fine since he has to accept a challenge, but other character will just refuse or send in a champion instead. Knights are better for killing characters.

[Althwen]

I don't think a chaos lord on a character killing mission will earn his points back in any game, but if you do want to try it, at least give him the other trickster's shard that forces successfull ward saves to be re-rolled, or a strength potion if you don't boost his strength in any other way. If you don't take either, you'll probably find your attacks bouncing off the opposing character.
Maybe throw a word of agony in there?
Or if you expect to meet a Dark elf with the imba reversed ward save, you might want to opt for the talisman that forces models in base-to-base contact to take a toughness test.

[hazmiter]

Hmmm good points.
What's the general consensus on dragon ogre shaggoths, points wasted??? Or points well spent.
I included one as a laugh in my list....
I've done the chosen w favour of the gods, halbeards, wailing banner trick, in a 40 hoard.... Plain mean and nasty, going 14 knights this time round..... Thoughts on support, I thought the shaggoth a nice idea.

[TheOneHawk]

Not even close to worth his points, unfortunately.

[hazmiter]

Bummer, what would you suggest then, it is vampire counts I'm playing against, and i have 14 knights, w crown command.... Bsb, mark tzeentch, and a banner of rage, with a blender lord.
Lord had sword of blood shed, armour of zhrakk, collar of khorne, pestilencial spew power, daemon steed, mark of tzeentch.
Bsb has no magic banner, a daemon steed, and a talisman protection w some other gear.

[TheOneHawk]

Christ, you're not being nice to your opponent, are you?

Nothing's gonna target the shaggoth when you have a deathstar like that, so it'll be fine. It's not good, but in a list like that you'll survive.

[hazmiter]

What about a second unit of knights???? I'm still debating if the nurgle special hero is worth while, and going for a exalted hero to lead them.

[TheOneHawk]

Festus is great support for an infantry block, but I would suggest fielding him in a 5 wide unit with an exalted on palanquin so he's in the second rank. Dude is super squisy, no armour, just 5+regen.

[hazmiter]

Hmm, should I swap him and my lv1 scroll caddy for a lv4 of nurgle w enchanted shield..... Fleshy abundance and the awesome spell of armour save and die are good against undead cav.
It's 6k of undead vs daemons, and chaos. Daemons and chaos get 3k apiece, he has kairos, the fateweaver of tzeentch. And he is taking 10 blood crushers to complement my knights. Shaggoth I'm a bit iffy over, as thats 6 more knights plus items.

[TheOneHawk]

I feel bad for the undead player. Kairos and a 20 chaos knight bus? -shudder-

If you want to break things, Shaggoth is not a good choice. I've used it, never been impressed.

That said, I was very impressed with the combat abilities of Kholek, if you want to use that model. Lots of points, but delicious killing ability, and with Kairos on your side of the table you won't really need to worry about magic. Only weakness is low Initiative and no ward save, but I've seen that guy get charged by three things at once, and systematically dismantle all of them.

[hazmiter]

Well we need a back up wizard for broken concentration, etc, was thinking lv4 nurgle with dispel staff, he gets most dice, I only want 3 power dice, then we have a +5 sorcerer to dispell.
So casting he gets plus 6, dispelling we get +5.
Oh and lore of vampires at -2 to cast, negates his stinky finger on mortis engine.
I'll pm my current lis if you want, need advice and tweeks, as hoards of undead get annoying.
Btw, ally has kairos, skull taker, 2 heralds of khorne, one as bsb with banner -2 to selected lore of magic, 2 hoards of blood letters, 1 of 63 one of 40.
And 10 bloodcrushers, (skull taker is riding one too).

[TheOneHawk]

Is your opponent playing hardball as well? If he brings a fluffy list and you guys bring that, well...

Also, honestly a level 4 only getting 3 dice is a waste of points. Just tool up a combat lord and go to town. Give him a dragon. It's fun, trust me.

[hazmiter]

Could drop shaggoth, 2 wizards, and Nerf lord and bsb down to barded nightmares.
Then pick up more knights, and a 2nd exalted hero on nightmare.
Then it would be double threat.
He takes Manfred, krell, Wight kings, gg, and mortis engines, corpse carts, all the good stuff, as well as terrorghiests....

[Shadow_Steed]

Greetings fellow Northmen!

I am looking to include a rare unit in my wip- Army. Which of the three choices would you guys say is the most fun to field?

[GodlessM]

Greetings fellow Northmen!

I am looking to include a rare unit in my wip- Army. Which of the three choices would you guys say is the most fun to field?

There's more than 3 rare choices, but the Hellcannon is the most fun and the most effective at the same time; it's not much fun when your Giant/Shaggoth/Spawn does nothing each and every game 'cause it gets killed.

[TheOneHawk]

Hellcannon and warshrine are both effective, but the hellcannon has a model while the warshrine does not. Also, the warshrine is less fun than the hellcannon.

Go for the cannon.

[Althwen]

I actually fielded a Shaggoth last week and he managed quite well. He didn't overperform and true, for those 275 pts I could have fielded something better, but I had the model and just wanted to try him out.
He ran straight into a unit of Black Orcs to assassinate the wizard in the front rank and managed to win two combat rounds by thunderstomping a good deal. He then proceeded to die during the 3rd round of combat, but he held up the unit long enough for my Khorne Marauders to charge in and rip the Black Orcs to shreds.

He outdid my low expectations, though I have no illusions that he'll ever be competitive for those points. Still, 6 attacks at str 6 and a Thunderstomp is nothing to be sniffed at