SM's August Post - Grey Knight Rumors

[Stickmonkey]

So there's been some buzz elsewhere about GK, and it's been a while for me here so here's some bits and pieces.

Heavy rumors of Jan release. I cannot deny this possibility, but I might be personally inclined to say March, only because some items I expect to be released arent far enough to see how they could be done for Jan release.


Disclaimer: Please remember these are PT notes. These may not be in the final codex.

Release items:

Codex: there is much less focus on Inquisition aspects, and no SoB. No Allies. A GK army.



Boxes:
Storm Raven. obvious choice. Options for BA, GK and ???

TA knights: 5 pack, Paladin upgrades, squad upgrades. Psycannon, NFW, SSTH, banner?

PA knights: 10 pack, justicar upgrades, squad upgrades, extra bits. NFW, psycannon, incinerator, banner?

walker: There have been some rumors of a GK driven walker. I have not personally seen this in any incarnation. However, there is a boxed walker of some type. I suspect this is a dreadnaught box set that will also have bits for BA.

Tank: I have not seen mention of a GK troop transport. Rhino based with psycannon options has been in some PT. I list this as possible, but unlikely, 4 box sets of this size are about par for a release, 5 would be a surprise.



Blisters:
New Stern

New Chaplain?

Justicar upgrade character

Paladin upgrade character

Inquisition character

2 other blisters unknown contents



Other:
Later release of GK themed terrain set? Concepts are out and some "preview" shots are floating around if you hunt. Nothing more I can say on this.



Rule bits, these are very subject to revision, but not for much longer, to hit a Jan/Mar window codex needs to be tied up and sent to printers soon:

NFW lose the changing abilities based on rank of user. standardized to PA NFW is PW with special abilities vs Daemons, TA NFW is FW with same.

Some interesting Psychic abilities. just about all squads have psychic options. Heavy on they disabling side. Enemy psychers beware.

Not a lot of Mech. But quick to deploy.

Corrected Psycannon profile (updated 8-12-2010):
24" A3 AP3 S6, no invul saves, pinning test for units or models with psykers.
or 36" H1 AP4 S5 5" blast, no invul saves, no cover saves. (does not cause psyker pinning)

(updated 8-12-2010): Incinerator, no profile changes noted: S5 AP4 A1 template, no invul or cover saves.

(updated 8-12-2010): GK Annointed Armor: All GKs (TA, PA, AA, etc.) wear ornate armor which has been blessed and annointed to provide additional protection both physically and spiritually. Any GK may always Re-roll any failed armor, invul, or cover saves.


Army wide. Daemonic Infestation makes summoned demons less instable?

No allies from/to other Codii. new fodder units in codex. not same as guard units.

New options for Dreadnaughts including libby. psycannon arm. Purge weapon...large pie plate, special abilities include forcing instability test for daemons, including DoC armies, pinning in other armies.

Added 8-3-2010:
The basic GK marine profile looks very similar to a SM sergeant.

The box sets should all be plastic.

I've seen other people posting rumors of a penitent engine style walker, with a PAGK driver...I have absolutely no confirmation of such a beast. However, if GW wanted to avoid the cries of "GK dont have Dreads, it isnt fluffy" that could be a way...

While External Allies rules are gone by all accounts, it does not mean allies in the codex are gone. Inquisition forces ARE present, just not as dominant. And you will recognize others.

A conversation earlier centered around an ability named "Out the Heretic" which could be used against non-daemon forces causing one unit to "count as" daemons.

Some models "may" be on display at GDUK.


Added 8-3-2010:
I've seen "other" sites reporting I said nfw gave wound daemons on 2+. I never said that. Not sure where that is coming from.

From what I know right now nfw will be +2S across the board as now, but pagks will all count as pw, and tagks will all count as fw. Then on top of that, all nfw gain additional capabilities vs daemons. Plus unit leaders may have master crafted nfw...not sure if it's upgrade or standard.


Added 8-9-2010:
GK 2000pt AL from PT:

HQ
GM w Retinue
Named character

Elite
5-man TAGK squad + 2 spec weapons
Dread - unknown configuration

Troop
2x 5-man PAGK squad + 1 spec weapon + razorback
10-man ????? squad + chimera

Fast
Storm Raven

No Heavies



Added 8-9-2010:
The PT list posted was played against 2k of Orks including nobs, mek with kff, lots of boys in trukks, a BW and dread mob. It was C&C with DoW.

GKs held most in reserve.
PAGKS in RB came in turn 2 and moved to boys flank. 1 squad got tarpitted with boys, the other fought thru boys to take objective 1.
unknown unit had HQ attached, spent game trading shots with dread mob until TAGKS arrived to help.
TAGKs TP in turn 4 and later assaulted Dread mob. 4 standing at end of game.
The SR took out one trukk turn 3 and the bw turn 5. Dread and HQ w retinue arrived in it and assaulted Nob mob. wiping it out in 1 round. then started after other boys.

It was reported as a pretty one sided battle. GKs nearly unassailable. GK win with 1 objective and second contested in turn 6. supposedly orks were close to 4:1 outnumbering GKs


Added 8-10-2010:
Interesting bit here. Got to see some layout work on the new codex. I'll confirm the rumors of a fleshed out chapter org chart, but it's not your typical SM structure of 10 companies of 100 marines for sure.


All for now.

enjoy

StickMonkey

[Chaplain Dionitas]

Interesting change on the psycannons. What about "The Shrouding"? It's quite possibly the worst ability GK's have unless you're playing in Apocolypse.

[daemonicemission]

Codex: there is much less focus on Inquisition aspects, and no SoB. No Allies. A GK army.

I wonder if this leaves the door open for Codex: Inquisition?

Yes, I know the combi-codex has been shot down multiple times, but it seems like it is either that or Inquisition players (the ones who don't take many/any GK or SOB choices) will be really, really sad.

[spagunk]

Hmmm...wonder why GW chose to relate BA to Grey Knights. They hinted to this in the BA codex but why specifically BA given their reclusive nature? Perhaps this codex may shed some light on this.

Many thanks stickmonkey.

[Rabid Bunny 666]

Hopefully this is true as it could herald a Sisters of Battle codex sooner, shame I plumped for buying the metals.

edit:

Hmmm...wonder why GW chose to relate BA to Grey Knights. They hinted to this in the BA codex but why specifically BA given their reclusive nature? Perhaps this codex may shed some light on this.

Many thanks stickmonkey.

Probably because a Force Weapon arm and a Nemesis Force Weapon arm could be the same, the flying vehicle would fit nicely with the rapid insertion that GK have to do to combat Daemons

[CitizenNick]

Army wide. Daemonic Infestation makes summoned demons less instable?

...forcing instability test for daemons, including DoC armies, pinning in other armies.

So they're bringing back daemonic instability? Presently there are no rules for it in 5th.

[de Selby]

Any clue if GK terminator squad leaders (whatever they are now called) are still able to take psycannons/incinerators as an upgrade? I've got to pull the arms off mine if not...

[spagunk]

Hopefully this is true as it could herald a Sisters of Battle codex sooner, shame I plumped for buying the metals.

edit:



Probably because a Force Weapon arm and a Nemesis Force Weapon arm could be the same, the flying vehicle would fit nicely with the rapid insertion that GK have to do to combat Daemons

But why BA? Given the access to ancient technology, wouldn't a DA tie in make more sense? I suppose that it was a matter of marketing but still.

[stevegill]

But why BA? Given the access to ancient technology, wouldn't a DA tie in make more sense? I suppose that it was a matter of marketing but still.

I'm not sure it's so much about access to ancient tech as opposed to both GK and BA having access to tech that other SMs have never had (or at least not yet).

BAs often seem to get tech that hasn't been authorised for other chapters and the GKs always get whatever they want.

[Kroot Lord]

I think it's good also to add some diversity between Space Marine armies. Space Wolves have two dozen of separate units from Codex: Ultramarines/Space Marines; Dark Angels have the Deathwing and the Ravenwing (albeit, either can now be taken by C: SM); Black Templars have Land Raider Crusaders as dedicated transports (and it used to be BT LRC specific, but oh well). Blood Angels also have a dozen different units from C: SM, but for some reason GW seemed to want to differentiate them even more from the standard Space Marines.

Now, to me, personally, this would mean that Games Workshop is aiming to make every chapter more "stand apart" and "special". Within a few years they'll have done both Black Templars and Dark Angels, and I'm pretty sure they too will have very specific units that none of the other chapters have.

Also, dual kits are in general good for the company as they'll be able to sell more of them to different players!

[Hankyaku]

Please don't condemn the GKs to use as ancient technology as DAs currently use.

Kroot Lord: Actually DA only has deathwing termies as unique - not mentioning the SW Wolf Guard - and the interrogator-chaplain (nearly never used), but BT also has sword brethren, the Marshall etc. I think these chapters are in fact quite divergent from vanilla SM counterparts. (Don't miss however that SM have thunderfire cannons, while others don't.) Frankly I would've been happy if the SM unique chars would change a bit more on the FOC, or would give additional units to make a chapter army more unique.

[Irbian]

So there's been some buzz elsewhere about GK, and it's been a while for me here so here's some bits and pieces.

How this fits with your previous info? There is something that fall down?

Heavy rumors of Jan release. I cannot deny this possibility, but I might be personally inclined to say March, only because some items I expect to be released arent far enough to see how they could be done for Jan release.

What about first wave jan, second wave march?

Boxes:
Storm Raven. obvious choice. Options for BA, GK and ???

Dark angels?

TA knights: 5 pack, Paladin upgrades, squad upgrades. Psycannon, NFW, SSTH, banner?

Is the banner a rumour or a educated guess?

walker: There have been some rumors of a GK driven walker. I have not personally seen this in any incarnation. However, there is a boxed walker of some type. I suspect this is a dreadnaught box set that will also have bits for BA.

Chaplain/libby dreadnought?

Tank: I have not seen mention of a GK troop transport. Rhino based with psycannon options has been in some PT. I list this as possible, but unlikely, 4 box sets of this size are about par for a release, 5 would be a surprise.

Sorry, what means PT?

Rule bits, these are very subject to revision, but not for much longer, to hit a Jan/Mar window codex needs to be tied up and sent to printers soon:

Anything about artificer armour?

No allies from/to other Codii. new fodder units in codex. not same as guard units.

Any guess?

Thank you very much, is very nice to see some movements in the GK size

[Kroot Lord]

Second wave in March would seem way too soon, considering how long the previous second waves have taken to be released. Normally it's at least half a year, if not more (Daemons, for instance) before the second wave is released.

Codices is the correct spelling of codex, plural. "Codex" comes from the Latin "book", of which the plural is "codices". Just so everbody who reads this post will, hopefully, know, and, even more hopefully, will also use in the future

I really am not sure about the new cannon fodder units. Seems exactly the opposite of what Grey Knights would use, considering they are more of a "one versus a thousand" chapter, rather than "one versus a thousand + some cannon fodder". Also, considering they'd be "fodder", it's implied that they are untrained, meaning they'll be easily possessed, resulting in an even larger Daemonic Infestation!

[stevegill]

I guess 'fodder' in a GK army would be really hard & well equipped ISTs.

[Stickmonkey]

With regard to the "fodder" units. Dont mistake my use of the term for them being worthless or untrained. But compared to a GK...yes they would be fodder.

I did not have the CSM book near me, but I thought summoned daemons in CSM did still have an instability rule? Regardless this Purge weapon has a special ability to cause it.
The infestation rule as described depended on some form of instability for certain daemonic units. I dont have any other info on it. Like I said, the rules info I have is subject to change.

Another bit I missed is chaos icons do not function within X" of GK units...this is GK only units not other units included in the army list. So GK in TA, AA, or PA. Not sure of GK vehicles or walkers. I think this is tied to the hoods.

Of note compared to prior posts, gone are any references to or imagery of Jetbike riding GK. I'm disappointed by this, as I think a unit of GK on jetbikes would have been pretty cool. Expecially since they were supposed to be optionally fast attack or could take a unit upgrade to an elites slot.

Cheers.

PS: Am aware of the Codices correct usage. but add a p and an e and you've got a bit of armor... Codii is not a word at all, but if the meaning is conveyed in context, does it make much more of an issue than lol or OMG? :P

[Hankyaku]

Speaking of releases. What about DE and Crons? DE are in for autumn, but if GK come in Jan, then what about Crons? Next April???

[MajorWesJanson]

Speaking of releases. What about DE and Crons? DE are in for autumn, but if GK come in Jan, then what about Crons? Next April???

DE are November. It seems unlikely that GK will be January, as that would put 40K books back to back. I'd think Feb, then April/May for Necrons.

[Khanaris]

How much of this is concrete vs. wish-listing? It makes sense that, were Grey Knights to be rereleased, some existing sets would be remade and others added. But I have heard nothing reliable that any of them will be.

[BramGaunt]

I just want to add that someone told me that he knew about GK in january. I never got any info from him so far, but he's a trustworthy person and I know him to be in touch with some wise people. Enjoy with salt.

[Justicar Valius]

Thank you very much Stickymokey for this.

On the loss of jetbikes I am sad that they won't be here because they sounded cool, but a good friend plays DA, might have been painful when I told him.