Eldar vehicle runes

[Hendarion]

Hi.

Does anybody know or have a picture (and can post it) of the runes for:
1) The Nightwing
2) The Phoenix
3) The Scorpion
4) The Revenant with Pulsars
?

Thanks in advance

[Hendarion]

Nothing? Nobody?

[Arkondak]

All i got is a vampire hunter that i bought secondhand from a friend who was moving away. No decals on it. I think it's just the regular Eldar transfer sheet that comes with the forgeworld kits. Nothing special.

Sorry if that doesn't help much.

What do you need to know about them specifically? If you have a more specific question about the meaning of Eldar runes, I'm sure there is some Eldar player would know

[Hendarion]

Well, each Eldar unit has a rune.
Banshees have that: http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/...ansheeRune.jpg
Warp Spiders have that: http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/...pidersRune.jpg

Even Falcons, Nightspinners, Revenant or Phantom titans have those, based on their weaponry.
But I don't know the ones listed in my entry post and would like to get to know them in order to paint them on my models

I don't care much for the transfers, I am painting them myself as shaded freehand

[AndrewGPaul]

Have you got examples of the Phantom runes? I don't remember them being specified.

[Hendarion]

I'll make a picture and upload.

[Hendarion]

That's the runes (more or less, I've been a bit sloppy) for a Phantom Titan with Heat Lance and Power Fist if I remember correctly.
(pretty straight forward abstraction of a phantom titan's shape actually)

[Idaan]

I don't think that they were ever mentioned in a published source. The FW vehicles are just upscaled versions of Jes Godwin's Epic models, and as such not much concept work was done on them by Forge World. It was Jes who designed all the runes for other Eldar units, and so most of the unpublished runes should be in his concept sketches. Epic Phoenix, Scorpion, etc were probably too small to include the rune on the models. See the attachment for what seems to be Revenant rune, that's all I could find.

[Hendarion]

Yea, that is pretty much equal to what I have seen somewhere else.
A rune very similar to the Phantom, just different 'arms' on it. Maybe that's the definition after all and there is no specific rune-wise differentiation between the Phantom and the Revenant after all. That could go along with the definition of "Engine of Vaul" which actually are all kind of super-heavy skimmers.
Thanks, that is at least one of the models to get painted

[drmarco]

Hendarion - the original info on Eldar titan runes I think actually originated from a WD article for adeptus titanicus back in issue 110 - the banners showed the heraldry as having 3 parts the heirogram of the crew (like the heirograms found on autarchs, the back of wraithlords or the shoulder of the FW revenant) then a stylised unit badge (often incorporating craftworld imagery) and finally the pictogram of the titan, with its weapon load out - sadly I've not got the images scanned, nor indeed do I have to hand the issue of WD with the specific weapon images...You may find appropriate images in the specialist games resource PDF's for epic armageddon on the GW Website for Revenant and vehicles...

Idaan - many thanks for the image of the titan sketches by Jes - they aren't from the old GW released Jes Goodwin sketchbook 'The Gothic and the Eldritch' - mind if I ask the source?

Cheers,

Marco

[Hendarion]

The Epic Armageddon PDFs only use a generic "heavy support rune" for all kinds of walkers, flyers, tanks or titans. Sadly. I'm gonna dig in the basement for issue 110, lets see what I can come up with. I have to admit that I once got a huge load of old WD, but never cared to read them, since lots of the stuff isn't really related or interesting anymore.
If someone else finds something, I'm open ears (or eyes).

[drmarco]

Furthermore Hendarion - pulsars appear to be a circle, with a downward pointing line extending from the 6 o'clock position, and inspection of Jes' sketch does show a 'sunrise' pattern beneath the Phantom titan, and only shows the 'crossbar' in the middle of the pictogram of the revenant, and not the phantom...

[Hendarion]

I painted the rune exactly like displayed on a Phantom Titan in the Epic Renegades rule book. But indeed, the sketch of Jes seams not to show it - but on that sketch the two wings on the Phantom seam to have only 2 'feathers' whereas they have 3 in the Renegade rule book.
The circle with one line is the Pulsar, yea, so it seams. The half-circle-sunrise seams to be the heat-lance.

PS:
Seams I am blind, the Revenant is not equal to the Phantom, since the Revenant has only one wing on the right side of the rune, the left side has some elements that are not connected to the rest of the rune, but floating freely.

[Idaan]

Idaan - many thanks for the image of the titan sketches by Jes - they aren't from the old GW released Jes Goodwin sketchbook 'The Gothic and the Eldritch' - mind if I ask the source?

Cheers,

Marco

No idea really. I think that the source had to be some thread on scratchbuilding the Phantom Titan (before we knew of FW making one). I know that Hellebore, among others, was doing that, so I think that your best guess would be to send him a PM or do a thread search.

[drmarco]

Cheers Idaan, And Hendarion - not sure if the disrupted feather is deliberate or artifact...

Marco

[NashTrickster]

If you look closely to the sketch of the Revenant posted above, it seems (but since it's merely a sketch it's a bit hard to tell if it was really intended or is merely an artifact) that the Revenant's Rune bears only one of the 2 "stylised wings" that run alongside the triangle part (head) of the Phantom's Rune, the other wing being replaced by 2 horizontal bars not attached to the rest of the rune.
(Edit: But apparently you realized that all by yourself in the hour or so it took me to locate the images I attached below... lol)

Also it seems from old artwork depicting banners belonging to Titans from several Firs (Titanic Clans for those who'd wonder what that means) that the rune design for the same class of Titan will vary a little from Fir to Fir, particularly when it comes to the weaponry...
You can see the example of 2 Phantoms from different Firs armed with the same basic weapons in the first of the pics attached below, the difference in design is subtle but still it exists...
(The 2 other images are just provided because of their potential usefulness )

[drmarco]

I've been seeking resources like these for ages for painting my own revenants!

Many thanks for all contributing - Nash, mind if I enquire to the origin of the images?

Marco

[NashTrickster]

Nash, mind if I enquire to the origin of the images?

Of course I don't...

These images come from Codex Titanicus (Epic 1st Ed.)...
And if you meant where on the net I found them, they were on a very old (french) site which disappeared with Yahoo's wipe-out of the whole Geocities servers. (*wonders how many such gems to any Warhammer 40000 fan disappeared with Geocities*)
That's why it took me time to recover them (had to use the Wayback Machine...)

BTW, I've never been able to figure whether the inverted-S weapon rune visible on some of these images was supposed to refer to a Distortion Canon or to a Vibro-canon...
If anyone knows a source which could enlighten me about this...

[drmarco]

Cheers Nash - I remember AT fondly for the lore and pics in WD, but was just joining the hobby back when it came out, and was too busy painting 28mm stuff to notice...

Thanks for sharing!

Marco

[BigBarryJazz]

Thanks for those, Nash.

Looks like the weapon runes differ slightly between craftworlds.