Dark Eldar (DE) Strategy Guide 5th

[DeviantApostle]

I've had some success with Baron Sathonyx + 10 Razorwing Bird Flocks in a large unit. Anybody tried it with more than one unit of Bird Strike? Or am I being a bit too cheesy?

Yeah, alot of people have been throwing the Baron with Beastmasters, it makes sense. I started with 10 Razorwing but moved to 10 Khymera/6 Razorwing to counter instant death shooting.

[stainawarjar]

Yeah, alot of people have been throwing the Baron with Beastmasters, it makes sense. I started with 10 Razorwing but moved to 10 Khymera/6 Razorwing to counter instant death shooting.

I don't understand what's good about this combo, don't they just slow each other down?

[Nurgling Chieftain]

Yeah, they do. On the other hand, stealth and grenades are great for beastmasters.

[a1elbow]

I don't understand what's good about this combo, don't they just slow each other down?

I imagine people mostly split off the Baron if they need the extra charge distance for the Beasts.

Beasts are fairly resistant to shooting though, which is the main hesitation I'd have in doing this. Not that it is a bad combo.

[FrostByteVA]

Shameless cross post. I need some help with Combat Patrol for Dark Eldar. Since it's more about lists at this point level, and we all know how to use units by now, I put it it the list secition of the site.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...68#post6218768

[Vergilnecros87]

That would be why bad lists (like foot D/Eldar) work. You are facing other bad lists.

well thats helpful and friendly. tho i would like to know what lists you would run for an interesting game. and by interesting i mean not venom spam.

[Scribe of Khorne]

well thats helpful and friendly. tho i would like to know what lists you would run for an interesting game. and by interesting i mean not venom spam.

Haemo - Liquifier, Venomblade
9 Wracks
Acothyst, Liquifier in Raider

3 Blasterborn in Venom
3 Blasterborn in Venom

5 Warriors, Blaster, in Raider
5 Warriors, Blaster, in Raider
5 Warriors, Blaster, in Venom

5 Scourge w/SC x 2

Razorwing
Ravager
Ravager

This is what I have been playing around with, in variations (plus/minus units or points but this is the core), lately. Its not hardcore Venom spam, though it makes obvious usage of some of the strong units in the book. Its been a lot of fun for me, and my opponents.

[DeviantApostle]

Beasts are fairly resistant to shooting though, which is the main hesitation I'd have in doing this. Not that it is a bad combo.

It's more the grenades, really, if you're assaulting into cover. Personally, I don't bother but then I run Beastmasters as large units.

well thats helpful and friendly. tho i would like to know what lists you would run for an interesting game. and by interesting i mean not venom spam.

A bit of everything from the codex makes for interesting games as long as the other guy isn't spamming. We've got alot of different types of units that work well together. For friendlies, I've been playing:

Haemie w/Agonizer+Liquifier
Baron
10 Wracks+Raider
10 Kabalies w/Blaster&SC+Raider
9 Wyches w/Haywire&Shardnet+Raider
15 Hellions
Chronos
Ravager
Razorwing

It gets more exciting at 2000pts when I start throwing in Scourges and Trueborn.

[inq.serge]

Hi.

Is this a good List?

Hunters of adthammargh

(archon) Contessa Allegra Avreils
Blaster
Blasterborn, 4x
venom, SC, NS


Incubi 6x
Raider, NS, FF, E.AE, Chainsnares (Due to WYSIWYG)


Warriors 10x, Blaster + SC
Raider, NS, FF

warriors, 5x blaster
raider, NS, FF

warriors, 5x blaster
raider, NS, FF

warriors, 5x blaster
raider, NS, FF

warriors, 5x blaster
raider, NS, FF

Scourges, 5x, 2x Haywire

Scourges, 5x, 2x Haywire

RJF, Dissies, SC, NS, FF

RJF NS, FF

RJF NS, FF


Total 2000 pts, 20 Dark weapons.
All WYSIWYG

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How could I improve it?

I was thinking of maybe exchange one warriors in raiders unit for 5 scourges with 2 heat lances?

Or maybe skipping the NS and FF on raiders and venom and skip a single blasterborn for the same scourge unit?

I have good experiences from FF, and generally love them. NS might be handy.

[a1elbow]

It's more the grenades, really, if you're assaulting into cover. Personally, I don't bother but then I run Beastmasters as large units.

I don't see many units hiding in cover that scare a beast pack in combat. As long as you put your 4++ into PF you should still pretty well handle things. But of course, that isn't always true.

[Meriwether]

Going first matters a lot -- a whole heaping lot -- against most combat units. With Dark Eldar, what you kill matters, but not as much as what it cost you to kill them. Anything that minimizes your casualties is at least worth a second look!

[Rated_lexxx]

Hi.

Is this a good List?

Hunters of adthammargh

(archon) Contessa Allegra Avreils
Blaster
Blasterborn, 4x
venom, SC, NS


Incubi 6x
Raider, NS, FF, E.AE, Chainsnares (Due to WYSIWYG)


Warriors 10x, Blaster + SC
Raider, NS, FF

warriors, 5x blaster
raider, NS, FF

warriors, 5x blaster
raider, NS, FF

warriors, 5x blaster
raider, NS, FF

warriors, 5x blaster
raider, NS, FF

Scourges, 5x, 2x Haywire

Scourges, 5x, 2x Haywire

RJF, Dissies, SC, NS, FF

RJF NS, FF

RJF NS, FF


Total 2000 pts, 20 Dark weapons.
All WYSIWYG

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How could I improve it?

I was thinking of maybe exchange one warriors in raiders unit for 5 scourges with 2 heat lances?

Or maybe skipping the NS and FF on raiders and venom and skip a single blasterborn for the same scourge unit?

I have good experiences from FF, and generally love them. NS might be handy.

I would check to see if you would have to have chain snares because you put them on for decorative purpose I believe. I find most tourneys that do wysiwg want to see if u paid the points to have it on your modal, not that you have something on modal and didn't pay for if

[Rated_lexxx]

Just a quick question. Is it worth deepstriking the jet fighter or bomber?

[Nurgling Chieftain]

Hard to imagine why you'd want to risk it, when you can just fly on 12" and shoot 36".

[Rated_lexxx]

I thought the same thing. I saw that they have deep strike and wondered if there was any use for it

[Meriwether]

I thought the same thing. I saw that they have deep strike and wondered if there was any use for it

Only perhaps if something is hiding behind LOS-blocking terrain, but I really doubt that under the current LOS rules that you'd be able to completely hide more than tiny units completely from a jetfighter entering from the board edge.

[toxic_wisdom]

That would be why bad lists (like foot D/Eldar) work. You are facing other bad lists.

Not always the case. I just finished in first place in our local gw escalation league... using a primaily foot-heavy list with webway portal support.

[Sami]

Grenades aren't that vital on Beastmasters unless charging a unit that can put out a lot of ID attacks (yes yes we all know who). In general the ID attacks are dumped on the Khymerae who have a 50% chance of surviving, and the others are put on the Flocks. They can usually handle striking last for a turn providing the flocks survive.

[Kelanen]

Not always the case. I just finished in first place in our local gw escalation league... using a primaily foot-heavy list with webway portal support.

I'm not sure what it's like where you are, but round here GW leagues and tournaments are pretty much the bottom of the pile. Even small indy club tournaments tend to be better, and tehy aren't worth a lot in the competitive sense.

Certainly escalation leagues are a whole different concept. They are broken IMO, but definitely all the goal posts move.

[Johnmclane]

Playing a 2000 pts game against tyranids soon. Never played them or she who plays them. What if anything do I need to worry about ??