So many problems with the match-up against GK. Our vehicles just aren't effective, FNP just isn't effective and we don't get to hit first in combat all the time. I had an unpleasant experience with Quicksilvered GK Terminators with swords once.
That being said, I can't get all het up about GK with 6e around the corner. Everything could change in a few weeks, theoryhammering until then is a futile.
Archon of the Ravenous Void Kabal.
^ this.
I pretty much run Trueborn, Reavers and Wyches out of Webways - you do need a couple of things to go your way - enough terrain, going first usually helps and luck on the dice ie: might need that big fleet roll or something.....but for me, these are the tools I like to use
Dark Eldar...
This just in: everyone has issues with the GK codex.
Except for the 60 Flesh Hound Daemon list.Originally Posted by Sami
Even then dreads can tie them up for eternity ;P
Gk are not the be all end all... They can and have been beat many a time. And yes, six ed is definitely going to shake things up.
Given that I'm going to a glorified ForgeWorld booth later this year (aka "Games Day"), I figured I'd ask what the consensus is on a couple of the Dark Eldar vehicles - pretty much the Reaper and the Tantalus. I'm mostly interested in the oversized super-boat that is the Tantalus, but I'm not sure it's worth the price of admission. Any thoughts?
...and a little help comes in a little glass vial in a gun pressed against her anatomy...
You can always file off your nipples, it's easily done.
I rate both the new FW vehicles.
Ok, the Tantalus is expensive in points but you get: AV12 front and side, 12 Disintegrator shots (with Aerial Assault) and a transport capacity of 16. Scythevanes seem nice too. And the cost goes down when you consider you're getting Aethersails and Flickerfield standard.
I want one just for the ability to field a vehicle with 15 Wyches + IC in it. Certainly slide well into a 2000pt list.
Archon of the Ravenous Void Kabal.
And lose a HS slot. That, and I really don't want to drop that many points on a transport that is going to be thrown at the enemy lines as soon as possible.
Remembering you're talking to the guy that fields a Disintegrator Ravager, the Tantalus is a nice alternative. Besides, Scythevanes hit vehicles at S7+2d6, that's a solid anti-tank option.
I'm not saying it's better than a DL Ravager (which is more point efficient) but it's worth consideration, particularly as a centrepiece for a force. Besides, tell me you don't want to field that model at some point.
Archon of the Ravenous Void Kabal.
I think I'd use it as Vect's Raider.
The Tantalus is a beautiful Model. I am converting my one for a haemi, and it really makes a great centerpiece! Rule wise it's ok. No über unit, interessting choice. Can carry 8 grotesques ;-)
but it really is a unit that looks impressive, and will hopfully have more than 3 HP ;-)
reguarding HP, how owesome will Haywireblasters be? Well they'll def be better, and i already liked them XD
concerning GK with halberds, bloodbrides with nets, should cut there potencial down, while killing them soft..slowly.
I assume HP is...Hull Points? Is that a rumored 6th edition change? Or is there some other reason to "hope" for more than 3?
...and a little help comes in a little glass vial in a gun pressed against her anatomy...
You can always file off your nipples, it's easily done.
Got it in one, Loveless.
The rumour is that hull points either nullify damage chart results or allow you to stack damage results until you lose all hull points, at which time the vehicle is wrecked. Rhinos supposedly have 3, Land Raiders 4.
Archon of the Ravenous Void Kabal.
As the actual Tantalus? Not really. As said above, I would field it as a counts-as Dais of Destruction if I ever took it.
Spiffy. I've been avoiding 5th edition for the past year or so (due to being busy as heck) and I've been trying to avoid it a bit now given we're less than a month from 6th. Doesn't sound like it's going to have a huge effect on wanting to take transports, but I'll take my perusing to a 6th ed thread and see. Thanks.
It would make a pretty spectacular Dais...not that there's a lot of reason to take the Dais. I may have to get it just to have it, though...choices choices.As the actual Tantalus? Not really
How about the Reaper? The Ravager seems like a better deal, but I wouldn't mind some variety.
Also - what book are the rules for the Tantalus and Reaper actually in? IA: Apocalypse?
...and a little help comes in a little glass vial in a gun pressed against her anatomy...
You can always file off your nipples, it's easily done.
IA: Apoc 2nd edition. Reaper has a nice gun, but a single weapon destroyed result will take it out of action, rendering the vehicle useless. The Ravager costs less and can take 3 weapon destroyed results before losing all firepower (or 1 vehicle destroyed result of course :P).
This may well change in 6th (depends how hull points turn out), but for now the Reaper is a very pretty model with the firepower longevity of a Raider.
The Reaper needs to have multiple blast shots and Str D (or something) then it's a beam.
Random thoght... should there be a 'beta' DE Stategy guide for the first couple months while we figure out how 6th applies to DE. Then start the 'official' guide? That way fear and uncertanty during the initial time with the new rules are seperated out from the real tactics?
I figured we'd just keep this one hanging around while people figure out 6th edition, then start a fresh one in September/October. That'd be my vote, for what it's worth *shrugs*
...and a little help comes in a little glass vial in a gun pressed against her anatomy...
You can always file off your nipples, it's easily done.
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