Rules Questions

[stlwarrior]

Hello all - I went thru quite a few pages on this thread and I didn't see the answer to this and I'm sorry if it has already been answered:
In the version 2.0 rulebook (printed off version from Mantic's site) an Orc Horde is 30 models. It also only has 10 attacks. Is this correct?

On page 2 of the rules it says that a Horde has a frontage of ten models and is 4,5, or 6 rows deep. Obviously 30 models doesn't fit this criteria.

Then the fact that the Orc Horde only has 10 attacks and costs only 110 points seems odd. Am I missing something or is this correct?

I'm all about massive battles but if an Orc Horde only has 10 attacks then 90 Orcs only have 30 attacks. That seems a bit off. Thanks for any replies and this is my first real post - yay!

Thanks
Chris

[Baragash]

The Orc Horde unit isn't actually a horde unit (6 ranks of 5), I guess because they decided the frontage is too big. Unfortunately Mantic aren't completely consistent with how they name units.

[mattjgilbert]

Seconded, the word horde is misleading (so much so I used to run them as 10x3 to start with!). It's really just a "large regiment".

[stlwarrior]

Well that's a bit frustrating as I just built three custom movement trays...
Well, that explains both the odd cost and number of attacks. The only other really confusing part is also on page three of the rules it shows an "Orc Horde" of 60 models with ten frontage models and six rows deep...

That seems a bit odd to me as an Orc horde makes quite a bit of sense - feral beasts in a large block is both visually frightening and keeping with the "mentality" of an Orc. Regardless, thanks for the quick replies.

[pigasuspig]

A quick question I didn't see in the FAQ:

We know that Troops don't get extra attacks in a Phalanx. Do they benefit from the anti-Cavalry rule?

[mattjgilbert]

Yes they still benefit from the -1 part of the rule.

[more_utopia]

If stats mention a Ra score, but no ranged weapon is mentioned under "specials", does this mean that the unit can not fire?
Thanks.

[mattjgilbert]

Usually correct. Which entry are you looking at?

[pigasuspig]

I was wondering this too, regarding the Orc Ax (Ra = 6+)

[mattjgilbert]

Orc Ax have no ranged weapons. I wonder if at one point in early list development they had an option to take bows but then the Sniff unit was added and the option removed but the Ra value stuck?

[pigasuspig]

A quick question:

The rules say you can't draw LOS through the tiny gaps between models in a unit. But can a very tall monster see over the hordes of Goblins in front of it? My Balrog wonders if it can breathe fire over its escort.

Can tall Elves see over the heads of short Dwarves? And if so, would the enemies receive a cover bonus because of the Dwarves?

[mattjgilbert]

It's true LOS. The note about units is normal as a unit _should_ totally block LOS. If you can see over something though then that's fine. If the target is partially obscured then yes it might be enough for them to be granted a cover save.

[darkPrince010]

[snip]hordes of Goblins [snip] Balrog

Is this by any chance using the LOTR army list?

[pigasuspig]

Is this by any chance using the LOTR army list?

Nope. I am using the official Goblins list, plus a Twilight Kin Abyssal Fiend with breath attack as a Balrog. The mini is a D&D Minis Magma Hurler, which is perfect for my 10mm armies.

[pigasuspig]

Not exactly a rules question, but . . .

Can anything besides a cannon damage a stone wall?

[Hellebore]

Computer says.... no. It did look very wierd to me and now I know why. It should be 9+, not 10+ because there are actually things with CS3, whilst as far as I can see, there is only two things in the whole game with CS/Piercing 4. and they're both cannons...

That or there should be upgrades for CS/P available to allow other armies to actually breach enemy fortifications.

Hellebore

[mattjgilbert]

And wights

[Hellebore]

they do too. They hit harder than dragons and tree herders...

So out of 8 armies 3 have the capacity to damage stone walls. Me really thinks that should be a 9+...

Hellebore

[more_utopia]

If attacked by a dangerous terrain, is it then possible to defend (use of De factor)?
thanks

[Hellebore]

That's what the terrain rolls to damage against, hence why some has Crushing Strength. You can't generally damage anything if you don't roll against its defence first.

Hellebore