Games Workshop stops printing Storm of Chaos army books.

[Jonathan =I=]

If this has been mentioned before please delete the thread.

Storm of Chaos is not going to be printed any more. Which is the primary reason that many tourneys are not allowing the lists to be fielded.

Whats happens to those with Storm of Chaos armies remains to be seen.

[Reabe]

Well, can't you download the Grimgor's Horde rules off the GW website? Also, can't you get Archy's Horde and that Dark Elf one?

[asparagus]

Here you can download the army lists:

http://stormofchaos.uk.games-worksho...es/default.htm

[The Judge]

Glad I've got mine... shame they're not allowed in tourney's anymore - the Daemon Host was always a good choice.

[SuperBeast]

HA! And people laughed at me when I told them this last week... HA!

Not just out of print - removed from the order form in stores and spare copies sent back to HQ...

Time to ebay my slayers, methinks.

[Tastyfish]

Glad I've got mine... shame they're not allowed in tourney's anymore - the Daemon Host was always a good choice.

They are still included in the list of legal armies in the tournament pack, just under the race names rather than a seperate Storm of Chaos set.

Hmm, though this list doesn't have the new wood elves on, just Ogre kingdoms.

[Hashut's Li'l Helper]

Book not in print does not make the lists illegal

None of the chronicles books are available on the online store anymore but as far as I know Kislev and the Cult of ulric are still legal.

Daemonettes on their purple steeds, still legal.

Steam tank, still legal.

Giant lizard army, still stupid, but luckily not legal.

Ravening hoards out of print since 2000 Chaos dwarves, still legal.

Out of print, does not = illegal
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[Charax]

does this mean campaign books will only be available for the duration of the campaign? or are they just picking on SoC?

Wonder if EoT's on the way out, too

[J6mnik]

From GW forum:
"RE: RE: RE: Banning storm chaos:_ i was told by my GW manager - MOD-Howling Griffon (Darren) howlinggriffon@hotmail.com
Replies [4]. This Reply Posted [3/14/2006 12:47].

Okay - I've done some checking.

The Storm of Chaos book is now out of print. This doesn't mean that the armies in that book are banned though - it just means that in certain GW events, they will not allow the army lists in that book to be used (Such as the UK Grand Tournaments).

This is purely because the Grand Tournament events need all relevant rules materials to be freely available to all players in a physical printed form.

The armies are still valid to play in normal gaming though so there's no reason to panic.

Cheers"

Just cute, don't you think?
And some of the players' replies:
"If that's what someone in charge actually said, I'm afraid he's extremely ignorant. Sadly that would fit the reputation I hear about many GW locals. The Storm of Chaos lists are MORE available than anything else because they are on the web. If printing a pdf isn't good enough, why do they have pdfs? Its not like all important rules are easily available in a physical printed book, unless they are going to ban the erratas as well."

"Thats all very well, but I'm sure you know how anal some people can be with regards to Official/Unofficial. Even in friendly club games

Disappointing really. You spend all this money, only to be informed that it's no longer a viable choice. "

One of my favourite:
"You know, I invested a sizeable fortune in a WYSIWYG, all-metal, all-GW Nurgle DL with the express intention of using it at tournies, so the lists still being allowed in friendlies does not really help at all.

For friendlies and general play I can use cardboard cut-outs if I wish. "

I'm dissapointed by this too.

[Avian]

This is purely because the Grand Tournament events need all relevant rules materials to be freely available to all players in a physical printed form.

That's hilarious!

"No, you can't use the list at this tournie because Timmy over there couldn't get it."
"Why couldn't he get the list?"
"Because we stopped printing them, of course."
"But couldn't he download the list off your internet site?"
"Ah, you know that wouldn't be the same. It just wouldn't be fair to Timmy."
"Giving it to him for free is not fair?"
"I'm sure Timmy would prefer a printed version, and since we choose not to provide him with that, you can't field the list."


So available for free does not equal freely available.

[Tastyfish]

Sounds like the manager is just guessing and trying to think of a reason why the Storm of Chaos lists wouldn't be legal when the books go out of brint.

Pretty sure Armageddon and EoT aren't still in print for 40K but KoS and USF lists for Orks and Eldar are still legal.

[Charax]

Again, must I point out that not all of GW's current or future fanbase has/will have internet access.

[carmachu]

Again, must I point out that not all of GW's current or future fanbase has/will have internet access.

Thats a tiny faction of the population. I'd hazard almost a statistic anomoly actually.


*shrug* And folks will just not drop money on the next suppliment that comes out for fear their army will be null and void ina year or 2. I know *I'd* think twice about getting a non-core army.

[Avian]

Again, must I point out that not all of GW's current or future fanbase has/will have internet access.

No, but they don't all have GW stores nearby either. Probably the group who can get hold of the lists over the internet is greater than the group who can (or want to) get hold of it physically by either buying or borrowing it.

[J6mnik]

*shrug* And folks will just not drop money on the next suppliment that comes out for fear their army will be null and void ina year or 2. I know *I'd* think twice about getting a non-core army.

Well said.

[Tastyfish]

And if we are talking the UK GT they do, if you are going to the effort to travel to the various heats and collect and paint an army, its not a massive commitment to pop into the local library and download an army list.

[tzeentchgiant]

Superbeast already told me about it .

I'm not too happy about it, but then I won't be playing in any tournies .

TG

[J6mnik]

Superbeast already told me about it .

I'm not too happy about it, but then I won't be playing in any tournies .

TG

It seems that soon the SoC lists will be illegal overall, as lot of players don't want fight against anything that is illegal on tournaments.
Greetings!
J6mnik
(sorry for my english...)

[Howlinggriffon]

Tournaments aren't the only events that GW run. To paraphrase from my contact at GW - They certainly aren't being banned as we'll almost certainly allow them at some of the campaign events.

It's really up to the campain organisers at the of the day, both GW and independantly organised. If you're unhappy about it, talk to them about it. The UK Events team do want things to improve for people attending these events so they do appreciate constructive feedback. They've changed their minds before based on popular opinion - but it would probably have to be popular opinion, not the opinion of the vocal minority.

As for friendly games, if your opponents won't play any army that isn't "tournament legal" then they're being pretty damn anal and losing out on a game against some interesting and challenging armies into the bargain.

[J6mnik]

As for friendly games, if your opponents won't play any army that isn't "tournament legal" then they're being pretty damn anal and losing out on a game against some interesting and challenging armies into the bargain.

Try to tell it to players. Have you tried to find opponent when playing an unusual army, like skaven Hell Pit list? It's not easy. And now, when SoC armies are illegal on GW tournaments, things aren't easier.

One important thing - when I noticed it it was to late. Sorry for posting here your e-mail from GW forum. Hope this will not cause any problems to you.

Greetings!
J6mnik