Inquisitor done 40K scale?

[Lothlanathorian]

Okay, so I've got friends who are getting into 40K and are also interested in other 40K rules-systems. I was thinking of introducing them to Inquisitor and using 40K models to play it. If I were to do this, since measuring in inches just wouldn't work, does anyone think centimeters would be about the right scale?

[ooglatjama]

Multiply every measurement by (32/54) or whatever the scales are in respectively.

[Wintermute]

I've moved this thread to the Inquisitor Forum


Wintermute

[MarcoSkoll]

As Kaled says, 1/2" and 1 cm are common scales for "yards" in Inq28.

As he seems to be too modest to do so himself, I really recommend reading his article on Inquisitor before you embark on playing. Inquisitor is a really rewarding game if you treat it right, but it really does need to be treated right.

Now, I could talk for hours (and have) on the subject of 28mm vs. 54mm for Inquisitor. My basic assertions on the matter come down to:
- Inq28 is fine as long as you:
-- Avoid the temptation to put a full squad of Devastator Marines on the table
-- Don't just pick Thomas, Richard or Harold out of your Imperial Guard army, and understand that your models should have more character than just being a faceless goon (Convert them! Make them different!)
-- Understand that despite it being really easy to have Space Marines or models wearing power armour and toting boltguns or power swords, that these things are devastatingly powerful in Inquisitor and should be kept to a minimum.

-Inq54 does not have as many downsides as the 28mm crowd may think.
-- 28mm terrain usually works fine for 54mm models. (See #1, #2, #3)
-- There are lots of 54mm manufacturers, so there is a lot more variety than just the GW range.
-- It's easier to think of a 54mm model as a personality than a 28mm model who you're used to shooting by the dozens in 40k.
-- And almost all the Inquisitor events held at Warhammer World are at 54mm, so if you want to join in with those, you'll need 54mm models.

[Lothlanathorian]

-- There are lots of 54mm manufacturers, so there is a lot more variety than just the GW range.

Now I want to look at 54mm scale models. It's been a looooong time since I've painted any (see: When =][= was released) and I've a hankering to do it. Any links to good 'after market' sites?

[DragonManlol]

I really recommend reading his article on Inquisitor before you embark on playing.

Thanks for posting this power point

Oh and thanks everyone for good advice about 28mm and 54mm models and rules

(P.S. Someone please direct me to the noob Inquisitor Thread)

[kaled]

Most people use either 1 yard = 1 cm or 1 yard = 1/2".

Playing at 28mm is fine, just bear in mind that Inquisitor is not just a detailed version of 40k using less models - it's a different approach to gaming that arguably requires more dedication from the players and GM, as well as dedicated models not just ones grabbed straight from 40k.

But there's lots written on that subject here and elsewhere so I'll not repeat it all over again.

[Lothlanathorian]

Oh, no worries, I've played much =][= in the past. Played with the full-size models when the game was released. Played it 40K scale using half inches, but I thought they were a little too much.

I agree with everything you've said there, Macroskull. And the point of doing this would be to have more detailed, characterful models/characters running about for small, single squad-sized actions with a more detailed, roleplay-esque system.

And the reason I want to do it 28mm is the lack of investment monetarily, more options for models and conversions and those same models can also be part of your 40K army, just with slightly more detail/kit than the average redshirt.

And I, while I don't live close enough to go to Warhammer World and would be playing only with friends as part of our 40K campaign, I can see how that could be an issue for others.

[MarcoSkoll]

Those same models can also be part of your 40K army, just with slightly more detail/kit than the average redshirt.

Hmm. Personally, I think that using your Inquisitor models as if they're just another soldier to be gunned down is a good way to lose the feeling of character and individuality.

Is it that difficult to spare a few models to be dedicated Inquisitor characters?

And I, while I don't live close enough to go to Warhammer World and would be playing only with friends as part of our 40K campaign, I can see how that could be an issue for others.

"Close enough to go to Warhammer World" is further than you might think.

We've had people turn up from London, Bath, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Middlesbrough, Glasgow and almost as far as the Scottish Highlands.
I'm not sure we've had any one from outside the UK turn up yet (although those who have been to more events than I may have to correct me), but you don't have to be all that near to WHW to make it.

[Lothlanathorian]

I live in the US lol. As much as I would like to randomly show up, it is just not practical in any sense of the word lol.

And, while I agree it may seem as if it is losing some of the character, the point of what I am asking is specifically so that the models/characters being used in the game of =][= are also members of your army. So they'd be your IG veteran unit or your SM assault squad or Command squad, etc.

So, really, it isn't to play a campaign of =][= so much as it is to expand a campaign of 40K and use a ruleset that fits better with the smaller scale skirmish level than 40K proper's rules.

[MarcoSkoll]

I live in the US lol.

Fair enough. Saying you weren't close enough, as opposed to that you weren't in the UK, just read like that you weren't abroad.

So, really, it isn't to play a campaign of =][= so much as it is to expand a campaign of 40K and use a ruleset that fits better with the smaller scale skirmish level than 40K proper's rules.

In my opinion, Inquisitor is a bit too detailed to be used as just a skirmish game. Those details are great if you're looking to tell a narrative, but when the point of it is two sides beating the snot out of each other, the bookkeeping can become "in the way" rather than "interesting".

My personal inclination would be to spend the time adapting 40k for skirmishes rather than getting everyone to learn a new ruleset and write profiles for it.

Well no... My inclination would be to start writing an entirely new skirmish ruleset that was part Inquisitor, part Necromunda, part LOTR and part Dark Heresy. Although that's more intended for using characters from Inquisitor in larger skirmishes than models from 40k in smaller battles.
I suppose the above is more of my "recommendation".

[Lothlanathorian]

Fair enough. Saying you weren't close enough, as opposed to that you weren't in the UK, just read like that you weren't abroad.

Sorry about that. I guess I could have been more clear.

Well no... My inclination would be to start writing an entirely new skirmish ruleset that was part Inquisitor, part Necromunda, part LOTR and part Dark Heresy. Although that's more intended for using characters from Inquisitor in larger skirmishes than models from 40k in smaller battles.
I suppose the above is more of my "recommendation".

This is pretty much what I was thinking.

Inquisitor seemed like the closest, most compatible set of rules for what I was after. Never played or read the Necromunda rules, though I used to play a lot of Mordheim. I was originally thinking of using something like a D20 system for this, but wasn't sure. I figured Inquisitor would end up being my best bet.

Thank you for that link, Precinctomega. I have DL'd the rules and shall be reading through them. This seems much more suited to what I am looking for.

And not all of us can afford to spend the money on single model that would get us a full squad, or close to it, of 40K scale minis. Although, I do agree that using the full-size =][= models to play =][= would be much more preferable, though, currently, not an option.

[MarcoSkoll]

And not all of us can afford to spend the money on single model that would get us a full squad, or close to it, of 40K scale minis.

Yes, 54mm models cost as much as a full squad, but in Inquisitor each of them is an entire squad (in a relative sense), and three or four models is easily enough to make up an entire "warband".

Even if you buy the models new from GW, it's far cheaper to put together an Inquisitor warband than a complete 1500 pt or so 40k army.
And if you're prepared to scour Ebay and wait for the cheaper auctions and bundles (and are willing to clean up "used" models), it's possible to for it to be cheaper than a 40k squad.

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Anyway - don't let me put you off Inquisitor completely.

It's an interesting and rewarding game (one of GW's best) if you treat it right.
Problem is, while it's very good at being what it is, it's not very good at being adapted for other things. It's too clunky to be a skirmish game, and it's missing the parts it needs to be an RPG.

It's exactly what GW calls it - a narrative wargame. It's about telling the story of this fight, blow by blow and turning it into a cinematic spectacle. I've played games you people wouldn't believe. An attack ship on fire while cyborgs duelled with chainswords under its wing. I've watched lasbeams glitter in the dark near a tainted altar. All those moments will be posted on forums like the Conclave. Time to die.

[ismeno]

Hi all, long time lurker first time poster.

Whenever people ask me why play =I= with 54mm instead of 28mm minis I usually reply; Why play 40K with 28mm minis, when Epic minis would work just as well! You could buy a whole 40K army in Epic scale for almost nothing, and building terrain would be a breeze.

[precinctomega]

If you want a battlefield skirmish game using models from your army with a bit of extra converting to make them look cool and give them a modicum of character, then you can't do better than Killzone:

http://galaxyinflames.blogspot.com/

If, on the other hand, you want to participate in the Battle for the Emperor's Soul, reach beyond the limitations of the codex, engage your imagination and enjoy a game that is much more than just an adjunct to 40k, play Inquisitor.

I'm not prejudiced against Inq28. But if you're even thinking about using miniatures from your 40k army to play Inquisitor, at any scale, then you're playing the wrong game.

R.

[Askil the Undecided]

When people ask me why I built up my collection of 15+ 54mm Inquisitor models I have one thing to say on the matter.

"It's not rocket science. Play Inquisitor, with Inquisitor models."

[ismeno]

So true. and as have been said numerous times, it's not expensive either. I just got back into =I= after a long hibernation, and I'm finishing a new warband, 5 models strong. A couple of models I bought new, the others second hand and one scratch built using stuff from the bitz-box. In total i spent 800Skr, about £66. That's not alot for a full "army". Frustrating though that GW has discontinued so many of the lovely models that were once available, especially the conversion packs.

[Ambience 327]

One thing you guys are ignoring in the discussion of 28mm vs 54mm - available play space. I like to play "bigger" games of Inquisitor, i.e. have large sprawling areas available to the characters to pursue their intrigues in. I also live in a small home overrun with the various toys and other articles required to keep my children from performing a mutiny. Our kitchen table is really the only available space to play Inquisitor on, and it is roughly 3' x 5' - not the largest playing surface for 54mm models. Playing in 28mm and cutting all ranges down to cm instead of inches allows us to better utilise the space available without forcing the events of every game to take place in an setting about the size of a large gymnasium...

That said, I have my entire Inquisitor warband modelled in both 28mm and 54mm scale - and have used the 28mm warband as an Inquisitor's retinue in games of 40K to boot. (The fact that my warband is a bit undergunned in a 40K setting is ok with me, just addes a bit more character to them.)

[kaled]

Our kitchen table is really the only available space to play Inquisitor on, and it is roughly 3' x 5' - not the largest playing surface for 54mm models.

That's not a bad size - I generally use about 4'x4', however even if the table is larger I tend to stick to the centre portion. Games of Inquisitor generally represent only a few action-packed minutes and if the playing area is too big characters can get stuck out on a limb unable to affect the outcome of events.

Obviously different people like different sized tables, but I would say that only having 3'x5' (or less) shouldn't be sufficient reason to put anyone off playing at 54mm.

[MarcoSkoll]

15 square feet is fine for 54mm Inquisitor, particularly if you've got a reasonable amount of terrain to help break up lines of sight.

I can't say for certain until I know which table I get on the day, but when it comes to running my game at the IGT in March, I'm planning to use only 4' x 4' of the 6' long table. And that's even though I may well be bringing 54mm scale vehicles (although if I get unlucky and get a table which is sewers/catacombs/space hulk interior, that plan will have to be forgotten).

While I'd normally play on a larger table, I found that the 6' long table meant it was all too easy for characters to be stranded hopelessly far from the action in the limited time available at WHW events.
That's not fun for the gamers involved, so I'm going for an in medias res approach that tries to get players into the action as quickly as possible.