8th Edition Orc & Goblin Armybook Tactics

[dagreenmoonboyz]

I just posted a report using the only banner idea... you can view it here

http://youtu.be/hGjnBOxJz0k

But be aware I played a game directly after with quite the opposite affect right afterward. (Report coming soon)

Over all don't hate it don't love it. Saves 45 points which seems like a lot at 2000 pts.
At 3000 just seems like its not really worth the bother either way.

[Shimmergloom]

I only own 10 trolls and don't plan to buy anymore. How would you guys field 10 trolls?

1 unit of 1 and 1 unit of 8 or 9?

Or 2 units of 5? or just 1 unit of 10?

[Glenn87]

I only own 10 trolls and don't plan to buy anymore. How would you guys field 10 trolls?

1 unit of 1 and 1 unit of 8 or 9?

Or 2 units of 5? or just 1 unit of 10?

depends wich role you want them to perform.

Do you want them to be a combat-unit on themselfs? then you should buy some more and field 16-18 in a 6*3 formation

Do you want them to be a support unit, then a 6 will do

Do you want them to be a distraction unit, then 1-2 will do.

Basicly, if you have 10 and REALLY, REALLY don't want to buy any more, then I'd say field a unit of 6, and 2 on their own...

[Malorian]

Nothing wrong with 10 trolls. That's a lot of hurt for 350 points. Just always go 5X2.

Single trolls are also great though so I could easily see going 8+1+1.

A unit of 6 is the smallest I'd go for a combat block, and 4 can pull off character assassinations.

[Shimmergloom]

Yeah, I've seen a lot of ogre and troll units 3x3 for units of 9 or more and I don't understand it.

[Malorian]

Yeah, I've seen a lot of ogre and troll units 3x3 for units of 9 or more and I don't understand it.

Hey man, the +1 combat res is sooo much better than six more str 5 attacks and a str 5 stomp...

[Glenn87]

Hey man, they +1 combat res is sooo much better than six more str 5 attacks and a str 5 stomp...

lol...the sarcasm alarm just went off

[Spiney Norman]

Hey man, they +1 combat res is sooo much better than six more str 5 attacks and a str 5 stomp...

Sorry to interrupt your sargasm, but there are situations where 3x3 would be more preferable than 2x4. This is usually against units like state troops or goblins that will likely lose by a lot but benefit from steadfast.

Increasing your own rank bonus substantially increases the chance that they wont be able to claim steadfast, in which case you'll probably wipe out the whole unit rather than just a few extra kills.

[Shimmergloom]

I can't see how often 3x3 will beat the amount of ranks that state troops or goblins will have.

If you want to have those ranks to keep your own steadfast longer vs things like other monsters, cav or monster infantry than that makes more sense.

[Malorian]

Sorry to interrupt your sargasm, but there are situations where 3x3 would be more preferable than 2x4. This is usually against units like state troops or goblins that will likely lose by a lot but benefit from steadfast.

Increasing your own rank bonus substantially increases the chance that they wont be able to claim steadfast, in which case you'll probably wipe out the whole unit rather than just a few extra kills.

You are going to make them lose that stead fast though more kills. We are just talking 1 rank here, something that 6 str 5 attacks and an additional stomp can easily kill away.

Once you look at combats that take more than a single round it's a dead give away.

So I'll agree that there are situations where it could work out better, but in the vast majority the additional attacks are better.


As a final nail to the coffin, 3X3 takes more damage from stone throwers and cannons.

[russellmoo]

The only reason I can see for a 3x3 of monstrous infantry is that you think you are likely to suffer 9 wounds before you are able to attack back- so if you are throwing them into a unit with the flaming banner and high strength attacks or possibly going up against a monster - but this wouldn't be my choice for a unit of trolls-

I can see a unit of ogre bulls being used in this way- but then it would not appear to not really be a part of the battle plan- (that's what gnoblars are for)

[w3rm]

^^ Above post, it basically what I was thinking.

[Avian]

If you fill the first rank with characters, you might consider three by three to avoid rank and file being attacked.

And they don't take any noticeably more damage from stone throwers.

[Malorian]

If you fill the first rank with characters, you might consider three by three to avoid rank and file being attacked.

I'll keep that in mind once O&G gets some monstrous infantry characters




(Good point)

[Yowzo]

The only reason I can see for a 3x3 of monstrous infantry is that you think you are likely to suffer 9 wounds before you are able to attack back-

Not 3x3, but It's been a few months running a 331 formation. This allows me to hit with all attacks 75% of the time (sadly trolls are a prime target for flame crossbowmen, lore of fire spells, etc. so usually 1-3 of them don't make it though shots and anything hitting before them).

[amysrevenge]

I've had a bit of luck lately running a small block 4 trolls in either 2x2 or 3x1 formation. I've used the faster moving trolls as flankers in conjunction with a relatively slow and unwieldy Big 'Uns horde.

I'm working on getting more trolls painted (I've got 1 built and based and another 4 on the desk), once I have 9 I'll have to think about how to field them lol.

[Shimmergloom]

All I know is that I would rather face units of monster infantry/cav that are 3x3 than 4x2+1, 100% of the time.

[amysrevenge]

On an unrelated note - movement trays.

I'm building movement trays for the next couple of weeks, and I'm deciding what sizes to make. For the upcoming event I have a unit of 40 Big 'Uns, and I'm thinking that 10x4 and 6x7 (which handily doubles as a 7x6 if necessary lol) are the only two sizes I'd ever care to use - is there a compelling reason to build a 5x8 tray? I'm thinking not.

I suppose I could consider a 10x5 tray that can double as 5x10.

(These are two-choppa Big 'Uns, so I'm not looking for Steadfast very often here.)

[Malorian]

I suppose I could consider a 10x5 tray that can double as 5x10.

This is your best option.

Or two 5X4 that you can pull apart and quickly change from horde to rank formation without having to turn any models.

[amysrevenge]

This is your best option.

Or two 5X4 that you can pull apart and quickly change from horde to rank formation without having to turn any models.

Oh, good idea. I do that with my Dwarfs all the time, it just didn't click to do it with the Orcs too. lol