8th Edition Orc & Goblin Armybook Tactics

[whitespyre]

Ok this is my final list, no going back


Lord/Heroes
Savage Orc Geat Shaman lvl4 w/ shrunken Head, Fencers Blade 290
Night Goblin Big Boss (BSB) w/GW, Talisman of Endurance 89
Night Goblin shaman lvl 2 w/ Dispel Scroll, Dragonhelm 120
Core
x37 savage orcs Biguns w/ full command 442
x23 Night goblins w/ bows, mus 79
x5 Goblin Wolf Riders w/ bows, mus 65
x10 Spider Riders w/ mus 140
x10 Arrer Boyz 70
x10 Arrer Boyz 70
Special
x30 Black Orcs w/full command, flaming banner 405
x1 Orc Boar Chariot 85
x1 Orc Boar Chariot 85
Rare
Rock Lobber 85
Rock Lobber 85
Doom Diver 80
Doom Diver 80
Manger Squig 65
Mangler Squig 65
2400

Cheers for the comments

Chris

[WarlordSmack That McHurty]

Hi guys im new to farseer so hope im asking in the right place but in our bloodland in badlands campaign we have some beardy high elf players who seem to be unstoppable with the combination of the dragon banner (all magic spells they are immune to) and the book of hoeth irresistable force on any double in the same unit!! The purple sun is launched and kill loads of us since most are low iniative please help as im stuck what to do!

[russellmoo]

I think you need to run units of 100 night goblins- seriously High elves are not a good match up for O&G (they can out fight, out shoot, and out magic us), however, your one biggest advantage is numbers- so maximize that advantage

[Shimmergloom]

There's nothing you can do much beyond hoping he rolls a 1 for LOS on a direct lobba hit or roll 6 dice at eadbutt and hope you are in range. HE and DE are usually auto-lose for me if they have shadow or death magic.

[Waagh Rider]

Hi guys im new to farseer so hope im asking in the right place but in our bloodland in badlands campaign we have some beardy high elf players who seem to be unstoppable with the combination of the dragon banner (all magic spells they are immune to) and the book of hoeth irresistable force on any double in the same unit!! The purple sun is launched and kill loads of us since most are low iniative please help as im stuck what to do!

Ask them nicely not to? If it's a campaign surely it's for the sake of fun?

[Oogie boogie boss]

That does sound mega beardy. Alas, you see it quite a lot with HE. In my experience, and this is just what i've seen mind, HE players tend to be people who enjoy winning more than actually having a fun game. But anyway, I agree with the idea of swamping them with cheap troops. That HE list is going to be low on models, so use lots of big, cheap units to swamp them with targets and try to ensure you get at least two units into each of his.
Alternatively, you could try a 'shooty' OnG army; lots of Spear Chukkas, Rok Lobbas, Doom Divers and big units of NG archers with fanatics or Gobbo archers with the poison banner. HE are only T3, so if you throw enough concentrated fire at them they should be whittled down relatively quickly.

[Ghremdal]

It depends on what unit the archmage is in. If he is in a bunch of spearman then this is what I do.

I usually have a small unit of boar boys ( 6 with spears, shields); put them in a 3x2 or 2x3 formation. Charge the unit with archmage so that you get 2 boar boys in btb contact and direct all the attacks you can against him. If you lose a average of 2 boar boys from the spears you should still be able to make 5 ws3 S5 attacks against the mage, which should deal 2-3 wounds to him; maybe killing him or causing the next miscast to kill him.

You can do that with any unit, just the boar boys are faster then most while they hit hard enough to do some wounds.

[WarlordSmack That McHurty]

It depends on what unit the archmage is in. If he is in a bunch of spearman then this is what I do.

I usually have a small unit of boar boys ( 6 with spears, shields); put them in a 3x2 or 2x3 formation. Charge the unit with archmage so that you get 2 boar boys in btb contact and direct all the attacks you can against him. If you lose a average of 2 boar boys from the spears you should still be able to make 5 ws3 S5 attacks against the mage, which should deal 2-3 wounds to him; maybe killing him or causing the next miscast to kill him.

You can do that with any unit, just the boar boys are faster then most while they hit hard enough to do some wounds.

he has his mage in a unit of 30-40 white wolfs his bsb bearer and his prince going to need alot more then them boar boyz

[WarlordSmack That McHurty]

Ask them nicely not to? If it's a campaign surely it's for the sake of fun?

Yes I know hence why I picked Orc And Goblins as they are fun but against high elfs you have very little chance its like purple sun oh that them gone and next turn they are gone etc so you have to take the unit on as most his points are in that unit.

[WarlordSmack That McHurty]

Would the feedback scroll be worth taking against him as I dont think his banner will save him from that and he does throw six dices alot to almost guarantee IF

[Shimmergloom]

Feedback scroll does nothing against IF, so you have to hope that he somehow rolls 5-6 dice, doesn't roll any doubles for IF, just to make the feedback scroll worth it since when you roll your 5-6 feedback dice, you are still only on average going to do 2 wounds to him, so even then you have to hope you roll above average.

[Yowzo]

he has his mage in a unit of 30-40 white wolfs his bsb bearer and his prince going to need alot more then them boar boyz

Feedback scroll and lots of artillery while sitting back. Remember any mage with the book of hoeth doesn't have any kind of save. Without magic support elves are an easy target.

It's absolutely un-orky, but there you are. Use your fast units, squigs, etc. to delay them. You want to keep out of purple sun range as much as possible (thankfully range is random and not that great).

[Folomo]

Im fighting a typical Empire army this sunday in a 2k game (probably lvl 4 wizard, steam tank, archelector on War altar, albardiers horde with priest, mortars, great cannon and more). Any recommendations?
should I give up on magic and just defend with it, since he will be adding so much dispell dices?
should I ignore the tank?

[Malorian]

Im fighting a typical Empire army this sunday in a 2k game (probably lvl 4 wizard, steam tank, archelector on War altar, albardiers horde with priest, mortars, great cannon and more). Any recommendations?
should I give up on magic and just defend with it, since he will be adding so much dispell dices?
should I ignore the tank?

Just take a cheap lvl 4 with a scroll. You don't want to give up the +4 to dispel.

Bog down the tank in night goblins and ignore. Or take the battle axe of the last waaagh and smash it

[Oogie boogie boss]

I agree with the level 4. As for the Stank, take two Giants and tag team it. Massed Boys with additional choppas should trump Halberdiers, or lots of poisoned gobbo archers. LOTS of archers.

[PrematureNebula]

Iv been consistently losing against my friends lizardmen (usually he takes slann with big block of TG, big block of saurus, 2x10 skirnishers and 2x2 salamanders) any advice would be much appreciated as i would love to see his face when he loses!

[WarlordSmack That McHurty]

Feedback scroll does nothing against IF, so you have to hope that he somehow rolls 5-6 dice, doesn't roll any doubles for IF, just to make the feedback scroll worth it since when you roll your 5-6 feedback dice, you are still only on average going to do 2 wounds to him, so even then you have to hope you roll above average.

Your not trying to dispell it so you can use the feedback scroll anytime

[Shimmergloom]

No. The rules for irresistable force say you skip the phase of dispelling, so you cannot use the feedback scroll or any other scroll against and IF spell. Therefore the feed back scroll is next to worthless against a book of hoeth wielding High Elf.

This is made completely clear in the FAQ/Errata. Which says that you cannot use a scroll if you are not allowed to make a dispel attempt such as from a spell cast with IF or a spell cast after the wizard had failed to make a dispel attempt earlier in the phase.

[dementian]

The feedback scroll doesn't dispell though. It is just a magic item that you activate after a mage casts a spell.

[Malorian]

Read the FAQ.