8th Edition Orc & Goblin Armybook Tactics

[bad dice]

I would say that you units are just all to small to be effective in 8Th
You don't wanna use 30 squigs you want at least 40.
I mean when you get to combat you want to have the full 3 ranks attack. surely squigs are going to die on the way in so take a few more to soak op the dammage and get the full strength in combat.

The same goes for goblins busses 30 is just a bit to few. you want to use these to tie things up so the need to stay steadfast for some time. Whit 30 its just to easy to lose enough to break in one or 2 rounds.

Also I dont know if your taking full command for the visual aspect of it (you know like in it looks cool) But it is really a waste of points on the goblin units.
I would still take a banner (for the blood and glory senario) But muscians and champions are point wasters. They are to slow to really benefit from fast reform and that extra str 3 attack is not going to make the unit better at holding the enemy up. I would say drop those things and use the points to make the units larger.

Apart from that I think you have a pretty nice list, personly I would add some more combat power (by for instance making you troll unit bigger)

I would not swap out the giant for a spider btw. The thing is altough a giant is realy a weak monster for it point cost it does not need general support.
A spider does its just has to low a leadership. It kinda suxs when you uge and verry costly spider runs of the board cause of a charge by some knights.
A giant does not have that problem he's ld 10 and can go on the flank all by himself and do his thing.
This holds specialy true for a goblin army wher you are already trying to cram a lot of units into you LD bubble

[Glenn87]

the Mangler caused 2 wounds before flying off the board,

You do realise that a Mangler can't 'fly off the board". If it hits a table edge it takes a dangerous terrain test and stops "1 off.

[russellmoo]

Try to fit in the Standard of discipline you need to raise up your leadership, also your blocks of troops need to be bigger 30 is not going to last long-

[Glenn87]

I once fielded a Full NG army, at 1500pts:

NG Warboss: sword of might, enchanted shield
NG lvl 4

NG BSB: +1ld banner

40 NG Archers: nets, 3 fanatics, FC
50 NG Spearmen: nets, 3 fanatics, FC

40 Squigs, 15 Handlers

Doom Diver
1-2 Mangler Squigs (forgot if I had 1 or 2)

[Jind_Singh]

My all Goblin army that took me 4th spot in a 44 player tournament worked pretty well, took on:

1) Dark Elves with twin Hydra and everything nasty you can imagine
2) Empire with Karl Franz
3) Dwarf with Thorek and his anvil
4) Vampires with a massive amount of ethereal units

Only army I lost to, JUST, was Warriors of Tzeentch (and this guy ended up winning the event overall)

My list had:

Goblin Warboss, armor of destiny, great axe, iron curse item
Goblin Big Boss, BSB, light armor/shield - spider banner
45 Goblins, full command, bows/shields, 3 nasty skulkers

Night Goblin Warboss, Stunty basha, armor of fortune, shield
Night Goblin Big Boss, great weapon
48 Night Goblins, command, handweapons/shields, netters, 1 fanatic

Night Goblin Great Shaman, level 4
49 Night Gobbo spears, command, netters, 1 fanatic

Night Goblin Big Boss, shield, spear, giant squig
5 Squig Hoppers

5 Spider Riders, bows

15 Squigs, 10 herders

2 Wolf Chariots

2 Spear Chukkas

Giant

Arachnork

Pump Wagon

Mangler Squig

2500 points - the strength of the army is that there is a LOT of chaff in there - lots of units to distract the other player - allowing me to get my blocks into combat.

By far one of the most effective armies I've ever played with, is fun to play with, isn't considered broken by others - so they also have fun - and can be DEADLY on the dancefloor!

[Drakcore Bloodtear]

You do realise that a Mangler can't 'fly off the board". If it hits a table edge it takes a dangerous terrain test and stops "1 off.

I meant it spent the rest of the game circling in the corner

Cheers for the feedback guys
I've made a few adjustments

Goblin Warboss, wolf, Basha's Axe, Armour of Destiny, shield

Night Goblin Shaman, lv4, Tricker shard, Skull Wand

Night Goblin Warboss, la, shield, Obsidian blade

Goblin Big Boss, bsb, Spider Banner, la, shield

Goblin Big Boss, Gigantic Spider, Sword of Anti-Heroes, the Other Tricker Shard, LA, Shield

Night Goblin Shaman, lv2, Dispell Scroll
48 Goblins, FA, Spears, Shield, 3 Skulkers

49 Night Goblins, Standard, Shields, Spears, Nets, 2 Fanatics

20 Night Goblin, Musician, bows, 1 fanatic

5 Wolf Riders, Musician, Spears

5 Wolf Riders, Musician, Spears

3 Goblin Wolf Chariots, extra gobbos

40 Squigs, 14 handlers

6 Trolls

3 Spear Chukkas

2 Mangler Squigs

2 Doom Divers

Giant

So I've bigged up the units and added a shaman so I get every spell, added the Spider banner so I can take on the big stuff and the Obsidian Blade because my goblins have a knack for losing to anything armoured.

But I'm still not sure on the giant, he seems a little lackluster

[bad dice]

That true but on the flanks he can be pretty good.
Most of the units you find on flanks are no match for a giant.
I would try to deploy him last tough so you can place him away from shooting if possible.
Shooting will take your giant down quickly.
And try to get him into flanks cause hordes can kill him before he swings

Ok so he pretty much sux but like i said in my last post he can go solo and that makes him better than a spider in goblin lists.

[Oogie boogie boss]

Giants are awesome. Against small units they are the boss, and if you can get them into the side of a battle line, particularly against low leadership troops they can roll up armies. Most people who say Giants aren't any good think that because they expect them to break units head on on their own, or be able to walk towards a gunline unscathed. That's silly. They're meant to support your main line, tackle other monsters and wreck small units.
Sure they are a little squishy, but even if they do get killed by shooting, it usually takes a lot, and that's firepower that isn't going into, say, your Manglers, Big 'Uns, BO, Trolls, etc.

So, I say, give da big guy a go.

[snottlebocket]

Giants are awesome. Against small units they are the boss, and if you can get them into the side of a battle line, particularly against low leadership troops they can roll up armies. Most people who say Giants aren't any good think that because they expect them to break units head on on their own, or be able to walk towards a gunline unscathed. That's silly. They're meant to support your main line, tackle other monsters and wreck small units.
Sure they are a little squishy, but even if they do get killed by shooting, it usually takes a lot, and that's firepower that isn't going into, say, your Manglers, Big 'Uns, BO, Trolls, etc.

So, I say, give da big guy a go.

If you want a distraction get a giant. If you want hilarious destruction... get a tag team of giants. My old goblin army relied on a duo of giants to supply the muscle for the army, they had an amazing track record as few people managed to stop both giants before they got stuck in.

[Drakcore Bloodtear]

I'll keep with the giant then.

On an unrelated note has anyone played Storm of Magic with O&G, looks like fun rules but our spells (both little and big) seem really poor

[Malorian]

On an unrelated note has anyone played Storm of Magic with O&G, looks like fun rules but our spells (both little and big) seem really poor

If you can't keep up with the powerful magic then just kill their mages on combat. Hell they are just standing there on those fulcrums waiting for a wyvern to fly a warboss to them

[russellmoo]

In SoM you can actually take a great shaman on an arachnarok and have it not be a terrible idea-

The arach kills the enemy mage on fulcrum, and the next turn you take over placing that giant spider on top-

[Jind_Singh]

Not to mention our cataclysm spells are also pretty decent from both lores! The orcs are tough as nails on fulcrums with T5, the spider riding shaman is beastly - and we're so cheap that we can cram 3-5 casters in a list and literally be the last Greenskin standing!

[Drakcore Bloodtear]

Not to mention our cataclysm spells are also pretty decent from both lores! The orcs are tough as nails on fulcrums with T5, the spider riding shaman is beastly - and we're so cheap that we can cram 3-5 casters in a list and literally be the last Greenskin standing!

You see thats where I disagree, the Idol is only good depending on how big the Idol is built, the Great Krunch doesn't have the warpath rule, and I feel St7 is good enough to take most things on, even if it was D6 wonds would of made it better and finally the Evil Sun, isn't as good as the other Vortex's, only St4, compared to wounding on 2+, st6, In test.

The Little Catalysm spells are a little better

I guess I'm just bitter that there isn't a WAAAGH!!! style spell, I loved that spell

[amysrevenge]

If you can't keep up with the powerful magic then just kill their mages on combat. Hell they are just standing there on those fulcrums waiting for a wyvern to fly a warboss to them

3++ ward save doesn't do much against being stuffed down a giant's pants. Giants are a VERY good choice in Storm of Magic.

[Darnok]

May be a stupid question, but: what is the general consensus on Orc Arrer Boyz? I've got 30, and the options are: 3 units of ten, or one unit of 30, FC, simply treading the shooting (15x2) as a bonus in the beginning and use them like regular Orcs (5x6) later.

[Oogie boogie boss]

I'd go with 1 unit of 30, and deploy and use them as you said. Personally, i think Arrer boys are great. There aren't many non-dwarf shooting units which can step up and have an impact in combat, but T4 and S4 in the first round, Arrer Boys are one of them. Sure, goblin archers are cheaper, and NG can have netters and fanatics in them, but they've got a shorter range, so will probs only get one turn of shooting before being charged, will lose more to your opponent's shooting and, unless they are in a bus formation, which minimizes they're shooting potential, they will break relatively easily.
So, if you've got Arrer boys, use 'em.

[snottlebocket]

May be a stupid question, but: what is the general consensus on Orc Arrer Boyz? I've got 30, and the options are: 3 units of ten, or one unit of 30, FC, simply treading the shooting (15x2) as a bonus in the beginning and use them like regular Orcs (5x6) later.

They make nice warmachine guards if you run that kind of army. Most warmachine hunters have a hard time approaching warmachines if you're volley firing at them with 30 arrer boys. Later in the battle they can always march forward and support.

[Yowzo]

I find a single boss on giant squig does that better. Random movement means there's 360º charging, and they can't stand and shoot.

LA, shield and spear keeps it cheap. Maybe enchanted shield for that extra pip of armour (3+, which will keep most fast things honest) and/or a cheap magic weapon if you expect to run into ethereals.

It's ages since I've ran arrer boyz, I'd rather put more HW&Shield boyz instead. Savages with bows are fun to play, though.

[Drakcore Bloodtear]

I find a single boss on giant squig does that better. Random movement means there's 360º charging, and they can't stand and shoot.

Yeah but with Random Movement you have to move, so although you might be pacing back and forth, a short or long bounce might cause your Boss to be too far away to be of any help.