8th Edition Orc & Goblin Armybook Tactics

[Kauzu]

stone trolls down to vanilla and drop the command from the spiders for the nets?

Also consider changing the ng warboss to a vanilla goblin warboss. +1ld can be huge.

I just noticed the 2x part of the ng spears. I'd consider merging them into one huge unit. It saves you points on command so you can snag a ward or something for the shaman and an 80 strong unit is tough to deal with at low points values.

[magicmonkey]

well i want the trolls to be stone, but spider command and ng command is 60 pts, so thats nets and 15 points. 10 for spider champion (challenges) and 5 for waboss upgrade?
shamman might need upgrades but i'll give it a go later today.

[Malorian]

So far I haven't face the new TK with my greenskins.

How have the other warbosses found them?


Reading through the book it seemed to be a simple matter of bog down the nasty stuff and hack through the infantry until you kill the characters.

Am I right in thinking this?

[magicmonkey]

seems about right. have seen them over the internet, but none i know plays them. necrosphinxes may be troublesome.

[isanti13]

My buddy played them the other day with his orcs... stomped on the heirophants unit first turn 7 times and killed the character... he won

[magicmonkey]

gork really was with him then.

[russellmoo]

"7 times" was that one or multiple castings?

The most I've managed so far is 5 (and 1 of those landed on my guys)- but still by the time the 5th one landed I just felt sorry for my opponent, and we both wanted the spell to end-

[Malorian]

Most I've had so far was three times in a row, and I felt pretty lucky with that.

[magicmonkey]

i haven't used it yet, but i am know to be very lucky at times. particularly when i'm losing.

[AMWOOD co]

A local gaming store has a group of relatively new players and their regular games seem to be 1000 pts. I'm having a hard time thinking up armies for this (I've played 3000 pts for so long...). I've got one army list written over here, but I'm still tossing ideas around in my head.

Can I get some advice for facing these smaller armies?

Things to note: I have little cavalry compared to my infantry (10 wolves and 20 spiders vs. about 300 night goblins, 100 goblin spearmen, 100 various Orcs and 60 Black Orcs), 2 Orc chariots, a good selection of Warmachines, a giant, 2 trolls and 1 pump wagon (the 4th edition one with the roller).

[vinny t]

yeah, the 7 stomps was ridiculous.

[Malorian]

AMWOOD co, in smaller games (if you want to be competitive) I would take fewer units rather than slammer units.

[Tregar]

I've only used goblins, but in a game vs other greenskins I had the foot stomp down on my main unit 4 times, killing around 25 Night Goblins, but then my opponent switched to my chariots, and Gork got bored and wandered off! It was basically the only spell he got off the whole game so I didn't begrudge him it though

[Okuto]

So far I haven't face the new TK with my greenskins.

How have the other warbosses found them?


Reading through the book it seemed to be a simple matter of bog down the nasty stuff and hack through the infantry until you kill the characters.

Am I right in thinking this?

Yer gitz betta runz, ole bonez is 'ead 'ard. Take yer teef nd runz

Luckily I play both and I have to say the following:

-TG are disgustingly killy, chopped boyz up gud
-War sphinxes are....pretty gud, as greenskins generally have low WS
-Nercosphinxes are generally annoying
-Scorpions are dead on arrival, stalkers are so much better, guard yer bolt throwie things
-night gobbos hordes are as annoying as ever
-casket is a general annoyance, gobbos die in buckets

I've been testing out my TK against one of my mates playing my own orcs and then vice-verse and generally I feel as an orc player you should bring something to shut some spells out, TK general dice very easy, I say save the dice for undying banner, 5+ killing blow and casket....

Oh and keep doin the night gobbo hordes, I feel it's easier to deal with it as TK but it's still an annoying unit to deal with, leaves me with little room to maneuver about, savages are a must, I hate them......stay away from TG, don't throw your black orcs at them....just chuck a nightgobbo mob at them.

Thats all for now, my orc army is a med-magic, no shooting nonsense horde army so thats how I feel about TK from that view.

[Malorian]

I actually thought my savage orc big uns might be a good units to take the tomb guard on.

Assuming they have a character to improve WS and halbreds, and I have a character to improve my ward I see it like this:

Savage horde -character get 47 attacks, hit with 23.5, and kill 15.7.

The TG horde - character get 29 attacks (assuming the above didn't cut into it), 19.3 hit, 12.9 wound, and 8.6 get past my ward.

After this point (when about 7 more TG crumble) they should be easy to mop up even when the savages revert back to str 4.

[russellmoo]

Plus imagine if you get "Ere we go" off on the unit-

How does the Arachnarok compare with a Warshpynx and/or Necroshpynx? Anyone got the numbers- I'm not sure what the TK stats are or I'd do it myself?

[Okuto]

I don't think anyone should be taking the spider unless it's purely for fun...

IMO the war/nercosphinx is far superior....it's cheaper and doesn't try to do too many things at one time, it's a simple blunt objective that does it's job fine. Also it's cheaper to buy to boot

Though I like the nercosphinx more as it's more mobile and not much in the TK army is mobile.

Savage orcs are indeed annoying Malorian.....I hate when a fury of 5+ killing blows are shrugged off by even a poo 6+ ward let alone a 5+. Though most if not all TK players will be taking a block of 28 TG with TP/TK and a tect with undying banner.

[cerabrus25]

personally I field 2 spiders in a 2500 point army and I am winning better than 50%. The spiders are big mean and just look cool. Just keep them near bsb and watch them eat basic troop units for lunch. Seaguard are tasty meat snacks.

[Malorian]

personally I field 2 spiders in a 2500 point army and I am winning better than 50%. The spiders are big mean and just look cool. Just keep them near bsb and watch them eat basic troop units for lunch. Seaguard are tasty meat snacks.

In your next game try running 2 units of 6 river trolls (or two units of 8 trolls if you have the room in special).

[Bortus]

I was thinking about trying Manglers in a game but when I went to GW to find them there's no model. What is everybody using to represent these guys? I'm asking because I have no idea of the size they should be such as are they bigger than a large cave squig on 25mm base?. Thanks.