So i assume the book is the usual, mediocre BL bolter porn ( as seen in the awful Fall of Damnos ) where the villain always carries the idiot ball and the heroes carry better plotshields than the bastardchild of Shadowsun and Draigo?
Are at least the characters and the writing style interesting? Are the battlescenes vivid?
Have you read this thread, KingDeath?
Does anything said in here give you the impression that it's the usual, mediocre BL bolter porn?
To quickly sidestep your questions: it's a very decent book which is very well into the 'better' side of the pile of things BLP have published.
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Are you this negatively-critical of every book you want to read? I fail to see how anyone could come to the conclusions you did if they have read this thread.Originally Posted by KingDeath
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Lot of whining on this thread about SW.
Would be a pretty **** defense if outnumbered massively, they died on a one for one basis with the Tsons:
"Hey look we lost 47 robot marines, we'll never bolt them back together again, you know spanners are like lost tech."
"Well how many alive, thinking Space Wolves capable of independant thought and response did we get?"
"47"
"Are there any more left defending that nigh on impregnable fortress?"
"Nah that's all of them."
"Cool bro, lets tear their **** up - someone call Magnus."
"You do it, costs a bomb - I hear he wants your soul so he can manifest or something."
"Well do we really need him? I mean we killed all those dudes with 47 tonka toys"
"You better call him dude, you remember what happened when Ahriman split with the A-team, he sulked in his immaterial warp tower for like 2000 years"
"Ah **** I suppose so..."
Yeah an epic defense there - the only way the story/events can make sense is if the Space wolves kill more of the attacking troops in a ratio that if they lose.
Oddly, that is the purpose of a fortress though - to allow a smaller number of defenders to hold against a higher number of attackers. History eh! Who'd have thought you could learn anything?
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As much as I didn't like it, it's not just bolter porn with dumb villains. Must of my complaining isn't about that, but more that the enemy could have been anyone. It never feels like the Thousand Sons. It's a siege with a large force fighting a small force, and just going at it. No brains, no magic, just dumb force of numbers. Mr Wraight got the zombie aspect, but he never got the rest. Basically, the whole book is about proving Space Wolves > Thousand Sons. That's what fexes me. Sure the wolves had to win, but not like this. This was a sad display.
I'm not sure what you don't get from all the replies in the thread so far, but let me state it plainly for you. You are perfectly within you're rights to not like the book, however you are so far at least wrong in every aspect that you have said makes it a not so good read for you. There is a lack of magic because....they are **** sorcerers compared to what the were in 30k times, the good ones are gone.
Why is Magnus able to be attacked by all these lesser beings and be hurt? Because Magnus got his back broken by Russ in their last fight, you don't think that has a lasting effect? Not only that he is a demon possessing a body the rules for that still apply, he can only manifest a portion of his power and that portion is directly related to his surroundings and how powerful his host is
no, it shouldn't...primarchs can take massive amounts of punishment and still fully recover given the time
Magnus isn't just a primarch, he's a psyker daemon-primarch
furthermore, didn't he abandon his original body of flesh after ascending to daemon primarch status? wouldn't a broken spine in that discarded body be irrelevant?
this makes far more senseNot only that he is a demon possessing a body the rules for that still apply, he can only manifest a portion of his power and that portion is directly related to his surroundings and how powerful his host is
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The only real foultinthis book is the navigator killing the sorcerer with his eye. If the sorcerer was describet as helmetless it would be ok but wearing his helmet Space Marine are everytimes described as immune to a navigators eye.
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They are? This is the first I'm hearing of this. No mention of this in the HH novels or in the Ragnar novels.
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First mentioned in the Inquisition War trilogy.
Also featured in Soul Hunter.
We are returned!
I found it thoroughly dumb.
Magnus comes across as a generic end of level boss from a beat em up computer game.
The short story in the 2nd ed SW codex was much better IMO.
I have to disagree with most of what's being said .. I thought it was awesome.
From the hunt at the beginning to the fight at the end.
The only character to miff me was the great wolf , he seemed a bit self obsessed.
Bjorns constant stress was a great new light on him , Magnus was single mineded in his goal to deal a damaging blow to the wolves not caring in his own losses.
For me a good reed.
"Harek was overcome with fury and shame at his folly and immediately took ship to Fenris,bringing the Space Wolves with him. Finally, on the slopes of the Fang itself, he met Magnus in battle. The evil Primarch was too strong for him and slew Harek, but not before taking a terrible wound himself" (Space Wolf Codex,1994)
I think this works better than ""just like the other heroes who faced Magnus immediately beforehand, super awesome Ironhelm landed a 74 hit ultra combo on big dumb one eye""
To me, the book didnt really convey that Ironhelm had been made a fool of.
The whole "Magnus came on" bit is...facepalm.
I actually quite enjoyed it till Magnus appeared, the ending of the book lets it down.
Edit: Id probably have enjoyed the book more if I was 11. I dont mean that as an insult.
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In Soul Hunter, Talos had his eyes closed (99% sure).
For what its worth, this book redeemed Prospero Burns (yes I know different author) for me. I also really enjoyed the small insight into Bjorn. In fact I have really enjoyed the recent offerings regarding Dreadnoughts.
Soul Hunter, Battle of the Fang, and Know no Fear especially, have all had some interesting tweaks to how I at least looked at Dreads in the past.
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The Book was awesome I loved the part when Magnus came out and wrecked the wolves defence that had stalled the thousand sons for so long.
I also like the part that reveals that Magnus knows where Russ is.
Also that Magnus reveals that Russ wasn't overjoyed having to kill the thousand sons when he was fighting on prospero which I found pretty cool.
Have you read The Emperor's Gift by ADB? Bjorn is in there and is awesome!
Battle of The Fang sounds good - I like these threads I recently read Legion of the Damned and really enjoyed it thanks to a reccomendation on here - Thanks guys!
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absolutly amazing book i agree that the SW are overpowered but of course they are they are being attacked on there own planet and have the planets "power" added to there own i am a space wolves fan but i also like the TS as well so reading the book i dont feel that theyy were cheated out they had the space wolves almost completly beat iron helm showed in teh knick of time and they had the tempering stolen from them as well as shown what happened to the wolf brothers i thought the big reveal about russ was awesome since its the first anything has really been mentioned of him since he left it raises a lot of questions i feel
No...the legendarily powerful ones are gone. They still have plenty of good ones. They're the TSons...their "good" is everyone else's "excellent"
He's a daemon now, it's very questionable whether a corporeal injury like that would have a lasting effect. Even minus daemonhood, primarch regeneration abilities are supposed to be top-notch. Sorry, but a daemon primarch with a "bad back" should be able to mop the floor with a few SM, no matter how eliteWhy is Magnus able to be attacked by all these lesser beings and be hurt? Because Magnus got his back broken by Russ in their last fight, you don't think that has a lasting effect?
It's wasn't just the mind of a primarch that made him bad ass
It was his body as well
Magnus ha no mortal body any more
He is warp juju he can manifest into a form of his choice , but NOT the body that he was made with (something that looks the same but isn't) hense why some lowly vets of a chapter can hurt him.
Unfortunately same can't be said for dorn
LOL dorn thats awesome
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