Tactica: Grey Knights

[hazmiter]

Kelanan, I have issues as it is finding matches with my 91 model strong 2,500pt blood angels, let alone my 3k Gk, bulk billed henchmen. I have no desire to spam the psycannons on every model that can have them.
Terminators, yeah, I have been working on those, I'm taking 2 psycannon in each squad of 10.
Purifiers, I'm going for free flamers, as it compliments the flame psychic power, and gives me hoard management close up.
My dreadknights tote the gatling psylencer and inferno cannon of doom as its another hoard control.
Telesquads, I'm thinking either psycannon, or psylencer....
Strike squads, not touching.
Purgation squads, I'm considering.
I had a tourney player say no to playing my Gk, why, because they take her nurgle army apart.
Only person who plays against them with zeal is my mate and his orks.

No one, what's astral aim do for the flamer purgation squad?????

[No-One]

No idea, someone told me something about it being a tactic, shooting through walls with the incinerators, i'm guessing ignoring the cover save that Astral Aim would give? I was just told about the idea, but it wasn't explained to me at all, so I'm not sure what he was talking about

[hazmiter]

Incinerators ignore cover anyway.
I'm assuming it was for psylencers and psycannons.
Unless it does some weird things.....

[No-One]

Astral Aim allows you to shoot through walls, but gives the target an 4+ cover, i'm guessing its the ability to shoot targets you normally wouldn't be able to at all(other side of a wall, no LoS), and ignore the AA's cover?

[hazmiter]

Yep, that's how it works, just read up on it.
Be pretty nasty in cities of death and night fight.
Free incinerators for purgation, and purifiers too.....
Bit of a bargain for purifiers, purgation squads as well I guess.

[No-One]

I'm thinking of having at least one squad with Incinerators + Psyback

[Edinairas]

Flamers ignore cover so Astral Aim is useless when combined with Incinarators.
As GK FAQ says :
Q: Wounds caused by a Purgation Squad after using
their Astral Aim psychic power get an unmodifiable 4+
cover save. Can these be taken against Wounds caused
by incinerators? (p29)
A: No, as they ignore cover saves.

[hazmiter]

Is useful when you have no line of sight to target.

Ie, unit is hiding behind a wall, your purifiers want to burninate them as they are within 5" on the other side of said wall, cant shoot them cause they are "out of sight" que astral aim here, squad can now be "seen" and henceforth burned to death by 4 incinerators.

[Bassik]

Hello chaps, do the Grey Knights have a tactics "round up" PDF like the excellent Imperial Guard one? If so, I couldn't find it.

[bebe]

I'm trying to wrap my head around what will work once 6ed hits. Of course it is all rumors now but I suspect that assault after DS will come in. I've toyed with a Mordrak list. I really like this guy. My standard HQ is Mordrak Libbie and Ghosts. I use interceptors and a DK for extra troop options (GM makes 'em troops), and i use termies and Thawn as my regular troops (2 squads only). So at 1850 I'm generally running 3-4 troops depending on my roll. I combat squad my interceptors ( I play that each combat squad can be a troop but each counts for one die roll). I also add a Callidus at 1850+. I'm hoping 6ed makes the list stronger. It is a blast to play. Thawn keeps returning, Mordrak spawns extra termies, the Callidus always surprises, DK and interceptors shunt ... great fun. But is extremely elite - 30 models at 1850 and if you make a mistake or scatter badly DSing you can get tabled fast. So I use a teleport homer on the libbie and three sevo skulls to mitigate the problem a bit.

Is anyone else working seriously on a Mordrak list? Not someone who theoretically feels it plays a certain way but someone who has actually played him?

[meltedwing]

I ran a Mordrak list for quite a while, but was never really able to make it work as well as a purifier list. It is my opinion that GK terminators are too fragile due to the lack of storm shields.

[bebe]

I cannot speak to your Mordrak list as I don't know wht was in it. I do know that my Libbie w/ Warp Rift/Sanctuary decimated hordes, my Interceptors have won games by last turn shunts and Thawn and Mordrak jhave both proved quite useful. It's a shame that summoning and teleport homers don't combine though. I'm not a fan of Paladin/Crowe lists, TBH. I prefer Draigowing. The question is how will Mordrak port over to 6ed. Right now I'm cautious and do not want to spend money on anything that could be nerfed in a few months. Mordrak looks to be a safe bet.

My experiences with GK have led me to believe that certain units shine in almost any list and other units or okay.
Librarians are an almost auto include for me now. They have some really nasty and good psychic powers especially warp rift.
I love Psychic communion. Grand Masters making even DK troops ... that is a nice bonus. An almost auto include in my lists.
Of course I have the psycannon love but I'm equally happy with halberds. Gotta like I6.
Terminator troops are nice as an option in a list that can take advantage of them.
Shunting is a very good ability but you need to learn when to use it.
I find Paladins better than purifiers in every way. Expensive, yes. But awfully tough.
Henchmen lists seem good on paper. Playing them has left me empty. I don't feel they are our best list.
Psyfledreads and Vindicare - I get the need for long range AT. Both are very goods at what they do. You can win without either.
Dreadknight - I keep hearing that they are overpriced and easily taken out. It has just not been my experience with them. And I don't even use pairs. Just one that shunts.
underused ...
Callidus - Yes, I know he is shadow of his former self. Still works well though in the right build.
Interceptors - A bit pricey, easily killed. But they have specific uses and fill an important niche. They get close fast with psycannons and hammers. They can shunt.

[Kelanen]

Kelanan, I have issues as it is finding matches with my 91 model strong 2,500pt blood angels, let alone my 3k Gk, bulk billed henchmen. I have no desire to spam the psycannons on every model that can have them.

As long as no-one convinces themselves they are playing good armies, and you are happy playing that way too, then all is good.

[hazmiter]

@ kelanan, I love playing, and there is nothing more satisfying than finding an opponent who will give you a run for your money.
I'm quite sure that my blood angels are an ok list, I've done a vs between it and Gk, my Gk struggle from lack of attacks, the only thing that literally stops the list crumbling, are the 2 dk.....

[Woolierwand]

Hey guys,

Just starting 40k again after a few years away.
I want to make an elite Grey Knight strike force themed army. I am using a Purifier based army but don't want to do the whole Razerback spam thing.

The most important consideration is that I want the army to revolve around either double Stormraven or double Land Raider. I'm not sure which I prefer at the moment...

I was thinking along the lines of:

Crowe 150

10 Purifiers 280
2 Psycannons
1 MC Hammer
5 Halberds

10 Purifiers 280
2 Psycannons
1 MC Hammer
5 Halberds


6 Purifiers 230
2 Psycannons
1 MC Hammer
3 Halberds
Razerback
Psybolt Ammo

6 Purifiers 230
2 Psycannons
1 MC Hammer
3 Halberds
Razerback
Psybolt Ammo

Stormraven 205
TL Mulit-melta

Stormraven 205
TL Mulit-melta

Dreadnought 135
2 TL Autocannon
Psybolt Ammo

Dreadnought 135
2 TL Autocannon
Psybolt Ammo

Total 1850

Only problem I have with this army is that I feel I am 'wasting' points by paying for 2 SRs that can carry dreadnoughts but aren't.

What do you guys think? The list doesn't have to be Purifiers if you think it works better using something else (Terminators??)

Thanks!

[Glenn87]

hey guys,
What's the best layout for 10 Paladins and their Wound Allocation (I'm thinking of making a Draigowing).
And what's better? A Draigowing or a Purifier spam? (who does what best?)

[purge the daemon]

Depends on strategy draigowing can do much better but you technically can loose 2nd turn. For.10 guys I would go
Apothecary sword
Banner
Hammer psycannon
Halberd psycannon
Sword psycannon
Mc halberd psycannon
Hammer
Halberd
Sword
Warding stave

It may prove wise to mc both hammers and the paycannons psybolt can be taken as well. 2 of these and draigo leaves 55 points in 1850 mc all psycannons and 3 hammers.

[Glenn87]

Depends on strategy draigowing can do much better but you technically can loose 2nd turn. For.10 guys I would go
Apothecary sword
Banner
Hammer psycannon
Halberd psycannon
Sword psycannon
Mc halberd psycannon
Hammer
Halberd
Sword
Warding stave

It may prove wise to mc both hammers and the paycannons psybolt can be taken as well. 2 of these and draigo leaves 55 points in 1850 mc all psycannons and 3 hammers.

Great, thx!!
What's the tactic with this (as playing 1850 with only 21 Models isn't what I'm used to)

[Glenn87]

about the Dragowing, would it be good to field 2 units of 10 guys each (with different layouts for wound allocation), or 2 units of 5 with Psyfledreads, Land Raiders and Stormravens with it?

[Glenn87]

alright guys, made a Draigowing with Purge's advice:

275 Draigo
74 Ordo Malleus Inquisitor: Terminator upgrade (inc. Daemon Hammer and Storm Bolter), 3 Servo Skulls

750 10 Paladins
750 10 Paladins
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1849


Both Paladin Squads have this layout:
Apothecary with Halberd
Psycannon + Hammer
Psycannon + Halberd
Psycannon + Sword
Psycannon + Falcions
Sword
Halberd
Hammer
Warding Stave
Banner