'Pre-Heresy Thousand Sons; The Forces Of Prospero Project Log'

[andyg2006]

Also any suggestions on how I can convert the thunder hammer to match the Egyptian like theme, so far I can only think of using the lion heads off the chaos tank sprue?

I guess, strictly speaking, the Egyptians didn't really use 'hammers' as such; the ones we're familiar with now are the ones more associated with medieval instruments like mattocks and warhammers etc.
They used stone-headed clubs, as well as disk-(and pear-)shaped maces, but if you're wanting a bludgeoning-type weapon (even if it's not used as such), I think the main Egyptian weapon that comes to mind for me is a 3-headed threshing-type flail, e.g. the Pharaoh's crozius-and-flail: http://www.touregypt.net/featurestor...sandflails.htm

Alternatively, maybe something like a WFB Tomb Kings triple-headed chained flail-of-skulls? (e.g. could use animal skulls like the TK Ushabti have, such as cold one/lizardmen heads, painted up in bone colours)?

Excellent work so far on this!

[Proiteus]

STILL HERE
Just wanted you to know guys that this project is still going strong, I’ll soon have another 3 warriors done and after that I’ll complete the first squad with an incinerator sorcerer. Just need to find some dyrad heads for the tutelary which are proving hard to find.

However given how much hard work is involved with every model, especially the Teleporter packs and robes. I want to make sure that I won't recieve to much negative feedback to the artificer armour ‘counts as’ conversion theme, so I’ll be starting a poll on the forum to ask people how they would react to an army of artificer armoured marines with a photo of the completed squad. I just don’t want spend a week on each marine to be called lazy and be accused of converting for advantage purposes.

Also I’ve seen the new forgeworld pre-heresy dreadnought and I love it and considered using it as a Dreadknight stand in should my Necrosphinx conversion not work as I not ready to spend that amount of money of 3 dreadnoughts!

Well I better get back to work on Scarab Occult Warriors 2, 3 and 4. Till then here a photo of my dreadknight concept, I'm thinking of adding a huge cloak on to it to give it more size?

[Barbarossa]

If the conversion is cool, I don't care if it might give you an advantage! But then again, I'm not a tournament person.

[Power Hungry Monkey]

Hey man, very nice looking models. Always been a fan of the Thousand Sons.

I strated on a similar project a few years ago but never got very far. I did get a Mugnus conversion completed though. Your idea to use Tyrus is exactly what I did. Its a lot of work but the scale is right without looking too giant.

I used Tyrus's body, Ogre Maneater arms (the bare ones from the Cathay one), hair from the Avatar, the head from Artemis (inquistor range) and the sword from a bone giant. Yes, its was very expensive. Thankfully I had a fair bit of the stuff already. I havn't got any pics to show you unfortunatly but with those kinda bits I got it to look a lot like the artwork you've got at the start of the thread.

Will be following this one.

PHM

[Proiteus]

PLAN B: FORBIDDEN FRUIT?
I’ve started work on the 2nd model’s base so with luck my Justicar model will be uploaded tomorrow. But the more effort I put into these models the more I’m concerned that the idea of saying their in artificer armour and are terminators will not work for the majority of players, I know I‘m already taking chances with none of the models having any ranged weapons modelled on them as they’re shooting attacks are magic bolts.

Because of this I have come up with an alternative Grey Knight Terminators conversion that actually uses GK Terminator bits, however the huge downside is that it uses a large number of non-gw bits…

• Chapterhouse Studio’s Thousand Son Terminator pads,
• Micro Art’s Steampunk robed legs that happen to be terminator sized,
• & Scibor Miniature’s Egyptian Head Crests and small shields.

This could cause issues at Throne Of Skulls which I attend twice every year, plus other GW based tournaments. I guess I could get away with saying I green stuffed the robes. I guess if I go with the terminators I could always use forge world conversions as purifiers or interceptors.

Anyway I’m eager to hear your thoughts about this?

[Hadriel Caine]

Do it!

(btw you got a PM reply )

[anselminus]

nice result good job

[Proiteus]

THE SCARAB OCCULT VETERAN
Well that’s number two down, because I’m modelling the warrior armed with the specialist weapon as the sorcerer leading the squad I thought I’d make the Justicar look a bit different to the rest of the squad, mainly because of wound allocation.

I thought I’d try a more dramatic pose for this one and try and use the majority of the base, so I made him look like he’d just swung his halberd in a wide arc while charging forward. Like the last one he has both grenades and a bolt pistol modelled on him, in case his powers fail.

Now to get started on numbers 3 &4, however I'm still debating the alternative terminator conversion?

[Victim]

I like what your doing. It's very original. I have to say, I think that it's a shame that the Thousand sons became heretic's because as standard marines I think that they are much more attractive then their heretic incarnations.
I think your idea for the terminators is good, but I agree with what you said your going to have to use non GW parts, however, that could cost in the long run. Have you considered doing your own in gs and then casting them in resin. It would mean that you'd get a supply of parts when you need them and it would reduce the cost significantly.

[Proiteus]

GAMES WORKSHOP'S THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER?
I decided I'd go with the Terminator conversions cause it would give me more flexablity and it would be easier for my opponents visually. But because half the tournaments I attend our host by GW at Warhammer World I thought it best to run it by them first. I enquired about using just the robes for a deathwing army and sent them a picture of the robbed terminator and this is what they said...

I’m afraid you won’t be allowed to use those miniatures in one of our events. Essentially, if Games Workshop makes a model for something, we expect you guys to use it. Games Workshop makes Deathwing Terminators, so we would need you to use those.

This has made the situation even more annoying as this could also mean I can't use my artificer armour as well! I want to do an impressive looking Thousand Sons army but without breaking the bank and I don't want to ditch a 3rd project!

I honestly don't know what to do now cause I don't fancy building an army I can only use at my gaming club and tournaments at Maelstrom. Suggestions?

[El_Wacko01]

It would be shame to loose such an army! Can't you bend plasticard to fit as shoulder plating? BTW where did you get all of those Eygptian blades from?

[Blademaster]

First, awesome job, keep going, don't let the GW response slow you down.

Suggestions (DISCLAIMER: I've never tried these, so can't claim they actually work. Just food for thought):

For robes, use Black Templar torsos atop terminator legs. Either use straight as tabards, or flesh out with green stuff into a robe (after removing BT icons, of course)!

For shoulder pads, THIN plastic rod with hollow center, cut in half. Can stack for multiple layers. Alternatively, thin plasticard, cut to design. Greenstuff icons.

For heads, shave the "fins" off Khorne Bezerker helmets, attach to top of terminator torso, connect plasticard in the middle. Use greenstuff to add some 1K Sons symbols.

OR

IIRC, GW makes 1K Sons space marine set. Buy the set for the heads or, perhaps someone has some heads they are willing to trade/sell at a reasonable price. Use or modify them accordingly.

Finally, check this guy's blog out on how he did his 1k Sons termies: http://eternal-legion.blogspot.com/s...max-results=20

Good luck!

[Proiteus]

DREADKNIGHTS AS PRE-HERESY DREADNOUGHTS?
I’ve been considering alternative Dreadknight conversions to the large warp entity cause lets face it, it might look cool but there is nothing in the fluff that supports it.

So I was considering converting Dreadknights into pre-heresy dreads when forgeworld brought out this delicious kit!

It’s certainly big enough for the job and it’s supported fluffwise as those dreadnoughts were much stronger and more powerful than the current ones, add a sword and a incinerator weapon and I have a potential Dreadknight stand in? Only problem is I need to equip my dreadknights with personal Teleporters for my army to have some mobility and I’m pretty sure pre-heresy dreads didn’t have that ability.

[Ironpit]

why should they not have that tech, they had more tech than post heresy, the imperium lost a lot of tech in the 10k years after the heresy

[rrchristensen]

Only problem is I need to equip my dreadknights with personal Teleporters for my army to have some mobility and I’m pretty sure pre-heresy dreads didn’t have that ability.

"It's magic! Ta-daaa!"

Come on, Thousand Sons? A legion of warrior-wizards without peer? The solution is obvious. Some fleet-based warlock just teleports your dreadnought/knight from A to B. Problem solved.

[Lamby]

Proiteus, this log (like all your others) is just awesome!

On your non-GW bitz issue, what if instead of the Chapterhouse shoulder pads you use Dreadnought shin pads as pre-Heresy Terminator pads, and GS detail on them?
(Or do they mean you can't use even GW bitz converted models in their tourney?)

For robes, cloaks etc, see this blog http://volomir.blogspot.com/2010/01/...y-step_08.html where the incredible Volomir uses copper sheeting to form cloth!

Great work on the Justicar btw - dynamic posing!

[Shadow Fall]

hmm... Dread teleporting... ever seen the film Jumper? that was my idea of what happens when a Phyker (sp?) teleports. You'll notice that in the film the jumper guy jumps an apartment into a lake and then into a library...

Im pretty sure the half dead guy in the dreadnought can... 'Jump' the dread when he teleports...

SF

[Dasqueek-Master Assassin]

Another awesome Proteius army!
I was looking on scibor last night and thinking how cool a thousand sons army would be....

[Proiteus]

PICKING UP THE PACE!
Another Thousand Son Warrior off the line, and another just round the corner. Sadly thou I'm not going to use that staff as these guys are likely to be armed with force swords in the interceptor role in the actual army.

Also got some better pictures of the 2nd warrior as my secondary photography lights cables had been chewed through by my housemate's rabbit and I finally go round to getting some replacements today.

Because they're now going to be interceptors or basic GK, haven't decided I'll likely wait till I transfer them on to 25mm bases before doing the sorcerer. This is due to the my plans to add effects to his base to better represent the magical projectile acting as the psycannon. With luck I'll get the hammer armed warrior done before the terminator parts arrive cause I'm very keen to see if the terminator conversion can work?

[Overlord Krycis]

Dude, your guys are up on the Games Workshop Facebook page

Awesome work, as always, Proiteus.