Storm of Magic

[eldargal]

Its almost like GW think of the Warhammer world as a magical place or something.


I'm looking forward to Storm of Magic, if the rules are no good we at least get a bunch of new models and terrain. Why people are being so negative over something we have next to no idea of the details is beyond me.

[iamjack42]

Its almost like GW think of the Warhammer world as a magical place or something.


I'm looking forward to Storm of Magic, if the rules are no good we at least get a bunch of new models and terrain. Why people are being so negative over something we have next to no idea of the details is beyond me.

Welcome to Warseer!

[Lorcryst]

Why people are being so negative over something we have next to no idea of the details is beyond me.

This. Is. WHINESEER !


Seriously now, I can see why some people are afraid about an extension that brings even more devastating magic to a game where magic is already überpowerful ... I'm in the camp of those that hope it will be optionnal, I like my games to be around the 2K mark with low magic.

[eldargal]

It will be optional, GW expansions always are, that way no one is forced to do anything they don't like. Its a good policy.

[drear]

it will be for the people who want to feild dragons, minotaurs, ogres and wyvern in the same list, whilst having a bajillion wizards and fun units about the joint.

im hoping it will be in the vein of apocolypse, so we would get magical stratagem. so a wizard could choose a lore+ 1 spell from another lore.
or get +5 to cast etc etc

[inq.serge]

What if Storm of Magic makes things better and all of you sceptics will love it, because it ends up more toward the way You like it?

[Scelerat]

In fact what if we don't know anythin about it yet and for all we know it could help you field flocks of flying magic penguins? Oh, wait, that's the case!
Seriously, people, of course we can speculate, but we know very little. Speculating is cool and stuff. Emotionally reacting to speculation is pathological.

[Wishing]

It will be optional, GW expansions always are, that way no one is forced to do anything they don't like. Its a good policy.

Just out of curiosity, are there any recent expansions for Warhammer that follow this template? I am familiar with 40k ones, but I don't remember any similar Warhammer expansions. Last time I played, the magic expansion was called Battle Magic and was effectively mandatory in the same way that it is mandatory to use an army book rather than a ravening hordes list once the book comes out (i.e. the rules in the core game were just placeholders for proper rules to come out later).

[Morkash]

There was the Lustria campaign book some years ago. Somehow I cannot remember anything of it. Usually not a good sign...

[Flogger]

The most successful campaign for WFB was the Storm of Chaos IMO, a lot of people participated there because new army lists were made (daemons finally got their own for example).

Then there has been Lustria campaign, Nemesis Crown campaign and they were both failures. The Lustria pestilence list I liked though, the lizardmen list was also the first time the "engine of the gods" was ever in a book (with an awesome converted carnosaur model instead of the current piece of junk).

I hope storm of magic will be as fun as Storm of Chaos.

[scarletsquig]

Don't forget the Albion campaign, I think that was the best one out of the lot.

Storm of Chaos produced too much really bad new official fluff for me to like it, plus support for the new army lists was dropped very rapidly with the armies banned from tournaments.

I think Warriors of Chaos were the only army that got something they could actually use afterwards (the hellcannon).. Empire got loads of lovely new ulric models and a Middenheim list that were made OOP and void within the space of a year. Total waste, they should have used the time to release more models that they actually planned on adding to the regular range.

[destroyerlord]

Almost all WFB expansions since 6th edition have been campaigns, such as Lustria and Storm of Chaos (there was also one set on Albion, dark something). In those cases the army lists included were official (until 7th came out), and the included scenarios/special rules were optional.
Apart from those there has been the Generals Compendium and Mighty Empires, which included optional rules for campaigns, and the WD expansion that let you take multiple monsters for a single rare choice (hardly an expansion).
I'd say the 40k expansions are probably the best thing to look at when trying to get an idea of how this will pan out (optional rules, no one much uses them after 3 months).
The models are usually the best thing to look forward to in any case. I wonder if this expansion will include limited edition resin terrain/counters like planet strike and cities of death did? It hasn't been rumoured so probably not.

Edit: ninja'ed, sort of. Did the Nemisis Crown campaign come with a book? I didn't think it did, so not really an expansion.

[Tancred II von Quenelles]

Albion was the best on and gave at least some real profits for winners

[Memnos]

Albion was the best on and gave at least some real profits for winners

Albion did create the Fenbeast. I quite liked that.

My problem with worldwide campaigns is the rampant cheating. I still remember the guy who had the maximum 49 wins on his profile in 7 days, having played 7 2000 point games/day for 7 days against 'His mates'. All of whom reported their 'losses' to him on the website.

[Tancred II von Quenelles]

Nemesis campaign was played against my friends and wife with fb and man o war, I played very often and lost 1 or 2 battes - the luckiest dice-roll period in my life - it costs 2 years of rolling 1s for 2+ armor and double 6 for ld(

[Satan]

What if Storm of Magic makes things better and all of you sceptics will love it, because it ends up more toward the way You like it?

Not that I'm a negative guy, but as the posts above me clearly show - the track record isn't great.

[Memnos]

What if Storm of Magic makes things better and all of you sceptics will love it, because it ends up more toward the way You like it?

You mean if it doesn't end up being something like the Storm of Chaos book, or the Lustria book? Something that we can keep using and isn't paying £15+ quid for a book that gets used twice and then never opened again?

I'd... Quite like that, actually.

I doubt it will, but I would quite like it.

[drear]

im hoping it will be akin to the battle missions book, so it can expand current games into interesting new things.

[Gorbad Ironclaw]

You mean if it doesn't end up being something like the Storm of Chaos book, or the Lustria book? Something that we can keep using and isn't paying £15+ quid for a book that gets used twice and then never opened again?

I'd... Quite like that, actually.

I doubt it will, but I would quite like it.

That's been the only kind of GW expanions I've seen since Warhammer Magic (I think that was the 5th ed one? Battle Magic and Arcane Magic being 4th if I remember correctly? And lets not forget Dark Millennium). Obviously it will depend on where you are, some places really pick up a given expansion and get lots of use out of it, but personally the greatest use I've ever had out of an expansion that wasn't mandatory was the magic items out of the Albion campaign(almost mandatory for a while at least).

So my prediction for Storm of Magic will be lots of enthusiasm and talk for a couple of months and then after that it will mostly be forgotten except for in a few gaming groups where they will play it frequently or perhaps even mainly.

Now it's entirely possible that this one breaks the mould, but that's been my experience with expansions for GW games (and others actually). Different/alternative ways to play the game have a much bigger chance of being used if it doesn't require players to create lots of specialised terrain or models, but ultimately it seems as if most people just default to the core game and any sort of optional expansion will be forgotten except for those that really liked whatever it was it offered(and are lucky enough to have others who agree).

Edit: Forgot my point in all of that! If you like the expansion then great, because you will have gotten new stuff to play with. Where as if you don't past experience say that it won't matter to you anyway so don't worry about it. Enjoy whatever models or other stuff that comes out in conjunction with it you might like and just ignore the rest.

[popisdead]

Albion did create the Fenbeast. I quite liked that.

Me too. I thought it was kinda interesting and a fun enough model. Plus both wizards from then were nice sculpts