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    OnG ranking

    so i am starting up a new army, and i am thinking of orcs and goblins. i was curious as to where people rank them in respect to other armies and what tier people put them on.
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    Re: OnG ranking

    People around here seem to see them as medium tier. They can compete against balanced lists of most armies.

    I personally haven't played against them yet. But from reading other threads I can see that there are a few potent builds while a lot makes no sense whatsoever. If you are interested you might want to check out the tactics thread to see what units you should use and buy if you wish to be competitive.

    Large blocks of goblins/night goblins seem to be the go.
    There comes a time in every man's life when he needs to put his toy soldiers down.

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    if the first thing that comes to your mind when starting a new army are army tiers, then O&G might not be the best choice for you.

    the new book is better than the last one, but the last was the possibly the worst of 7th edition.

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    They can beat anyone.

    But that is not the point of Warhammer.

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    They are balanced for 8th edition and will probably and hopefully remain so for a long time.
    There are more powerful armies out there at the time but they are by no means underpowered.
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    They have the best thread on warseer out of all the armies. Also, they certainly didnt have the worst army book in 7th edition, though note must be taken that it is now 8th edition and we have just had a brand spanking new and pretty decent army book!
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    if you are starting a new army based only on their so called "tier" then I would suggest daemons, skaven, lizardmen, dark elves or teclis. OnG are good and balanced but not omg wtf imba.

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    Re: OnG ranking

    Apparently, and this is just hearsay, GW has finally decided to balance out all their armies, starting with 8th. If that is indeed what is going to happen (Oh I hope so!), each new army book will be 'mid-tier' until the last army book is released and 'tier' is no longer a word used in Warhammer, unless they decide to name a monster Tier...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel36 View Post
    Apparently, and this is just hearsay, GW has finally decided to balance out all their armies, starting with 8th. If that is indeed what is going to happen (Oh I hope so!), each new army book will be 'mid-tier' until the last army book is released and 'tier' is no longer a word used in Warhammer, unless they decide to name a monster Tier...
    Well, don't speak too soon. Empire and Orcs were hardly game breaking back at the start of 7th, yet we all know how quickly that changed half way through.

    But as to the original question. Orcs and Goblins do seem very mid tier. No game breaking combination, so a very pleasant army book.

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    I'm really surprised that everyone is so "meh" about the OnG book. I guess it depends on the meta scene or how most people play games. If you tailor a list to an opponent than I suppose their vulnerability to Purple Sun is bad but that's it.

    8th is an infantry centric game and OnG have two really hard units that you will see almost every time you face them. Black Orc Horde and Savage Orc Big'Un's (w/Shrunken Head). They have access to Trolls in Special for only 7orcs. Chariot core units. Unconventional but highly effective warmachines(I count fanatics and mangler squigs in this category). The most powerful movement spell in the game.

    So yeah, great core infantry choices = top tier in 8th imo. OnG has some of the best core choices out there. Savage Orc Big Un's as an elite choppy core unit and they have the ability to have giant units of NG to tarpit. Along with core chariots for that all important infantry swiftstride support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloody Nunchucks View Post
    so i am starting up a new army, and i am thinking of orcs and goblins. i was curious as to where people rank them in respect to other armies and what tier people put them on.
    I rank them top of the pile for many, many reasons!

    1) Fantastic model range - one of the most complete, sexy, and downright amazing model collection for any army! Even the weaker units end up being purchased (Like Snotlings) as WHO DOESN'T want to paint up a few bases of cool looking Snotlings!
    Not to mention we have THE BEST PLASTIC KIT EVER MADE OR EVER WILL BE MADE!!!
    The Mighty Spider!

    2) Brand new spanking book - hey, hear about those Dark Elves, Wood Elves, High Elves, Vampire Counts, Daemons, Skaven, Beastmen, Lizardmen, well actually ALL the armies apart from Orcs & Goblins and Tomb Kings - yeah baby we got ourselves a brand new spanking book! Not for you the fleeting hope that next weeks rumor holds your army of choice, no sunshine - your army book was the FIRST EVER made for 8th ed!

    3) Powerhouse Rating for the Army - DESPITE what posters like Storak think, our book is just fine. It's more than fine actually, it's blooming amazing! Now having said that I'm not a Newbie - far from it - and will give pretty much most of the top guns out there a really good run for their money. But even for less experienced generals the army is still very forgiving, and there is little out there that we fear as Greenskins!
    The so called top tiers (Daemons, Dark Elves, etc) no longer hold any fear for us, infact players who could (and did) routinely smash apart my Greenskins back in 7th are now hard pushed to do so - sure the games vs them are tougher than say an Ogre player or perhaps Wood Elves, but they are there for the taking now. No Kingdom is safe!

    4) Creative collecting - The O & G can be built and played in ANY number of ways, go for:

    - Themed Lists
    - All Goblins
    - All Savage Orcs

    etc, etc - and then there is a monster heavy list, war-machine heavy, all mounted, chariot spam - you name it!

    5) Fun to build & paint - this is CRUCIAL! No matter what army you go for, the core of the hobby is building and painting - and these puppies lend themselves to a lot of fun in both departments.

    6) Detailed Background - being one of the oldest and most iconic Warhammer races, there are stories galore for our beloved Greenskins! And thanks to the widespread habitats of our lovelies, we're on every single continent (bar the High Elves island, which was desecrated by Grom anyway), meaning no matter who your opponent, you'll always have a reason to fight them!

    7) Dirty - and if you REALLY HAVE TO SMASH SOMEONE, then boy oh boy can we bring on the pain - we've got some DIRTY lists we can build, with some sneaky and solid tactics - bring on the pain sunshine!

    8) Collect Greenskins and join our World-wide 2011 Summer Waaagh Campaign!

    http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247319

    Somewhere on the later pages there are about 22 of us Warseer O & G generals who are taking part in a Warhammer campaign over the summer months - and we're always looking for new Warbosses to join Da Horde!


    So why the hate for the new book from other quarters?

    Simple and short answer is:

    People are monkeys who couldn't recognize a good time if they were hit over the head by one!!

    The longer answer is:

    People are monkeys who cry because there is no 'point and click' army build, we don't have any stupidly low costed unit that is stupid good (looking @ War Hydras or Hell Pit Abominations), the magic lore is balanced (oh no! No stupid & lame over powered game breaking spell, and such forth

    My favorite answer though, by far, is:

    People are monkeys


    Either way I've been a fan of the Greenskins for ages now, started when I was 18, will see my 34 birthday this year, and played with the army in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 7th, and now 8th ed Warhammer - and can see myself playing them until either:

    a) I'm no longer of this World
    b) The World is no longer

    Whichever comes 1st!

    Does this mean that the book & army is all songs and dances? NO! It's far from perfect, we all have our pet moans/hates about the new edition and new army book - but it's perfect enough!

    So grab a new book, grab some models, and get stuck in! And welcome to the Waaagh!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yrrdead View Post
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    So yeah, great core infantry choices = top tier in 8th imo. OnG has some of the best core choices out there. Savage Orc Big Un's as an elite choppy core unit and they have the ability to have giant units of NG to tarpit. Along with core chariots for that all important infantry swiftstride support.
    Sorry Yrrdead, you are mistaken, both Goblin Wolf Chariots and Orc Boar Chariots are in the Special category, the only two armies with Chariots as Core are Tomb Kings (as they should be) and Beastmen ...

    To answer the OP, I'm a bad general with a themed Night Goblin list, and I have tremendous fun ... came close to winning some games with my lowly gobbos too, so anything is possible with the new book : balanced, solid choices, good magic, and you have to think before you make an army list, and even more so when you play, Animosity can destroy the best laid plans sometimes ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yrrdead View Post
    I'm really surprised that everyone is so "meh" about the OnG book.
    N there not. YOu only have to go over to da-warpath and see how well the new book has been embraced.
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    Re: OnG ranking

    If winning every game is your thing, then OnG might not hit that sweet spot for you.

    They are, however, a seriously fun army to play both with and against. Utter madness with some of the stuff that happens. The models are brilliant. I also think that the army book fluff is some of the best I've read ever.

    Having not read the TK book yet, if the OnG one is the way that all 8th Edition books will go in terms of internal balance, then I am more than happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Storak View Post
    if the first thing that comes to your mind when starting a new army are army tiers, then O&G might not be the best choice for you.
    I'd say if the first thing that comes to mind when starting a new army are army tiers, then Warhammer might not be the best choice for you!

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    well, after having played with the new book for the first time on saturday using an all mounted cavalry/multiple chariot/GROM goblins only (which warseer will no doubt go and have a nervous breakdown over) aganst my mates brand spanking new Tomb King infantry army i have come to four conclusions.

    1 Its a GREAT book!!!!!

    2 Never ever ever am i now gonna leave home without a MINIMUM of 6 wolf chariots ( i used nine in the game)

    3 Snotling pump wagons are by far the greatest things in existance

    4 even goblins can kill almost anything when your rolling 5+ d6 impact hits on an average multiple charge

    So, pretty much, the book is good, models are great, army is fun...cant really ask for much more

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    I think we will begin to see all the books start to balance out much like TK and OnG have already. For now they are not the most cheesy army out there, but for me I hate playing cheese.

    In my mind warhammer is about to equal armies batteling it out and OnG are great for that.

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    O&Gs are top of the heap!!!!!!

    Even when we loose a game, we come back for round two with a vengence (the first one was not you winning it was a tactical retreat so we could bring more boyz to the fun!!!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yrrdead View Post
    I'm really surprised that everyone is so "meh" about the OnG book.
    I think that might be because the book didn't change the army nearly as much as the other recent army books changed their armies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Avian View Post
    I think that might be because the book didn't change the army nearly as much as the other recent army books changed their armies.
    An old saying - if it isn't broke, don't fix it!

    But they did fine tune it:

    1) Better magic than old book
    2) Better (WAY better) animosity rules
    3) MUCH cheaper units like Trolls, Wolf Chariots, overal reduction in points
    4) THREE great new units, Skulkers, Spider Goddess, Mangler Squigs, plus better rules for some exisiting units like Savage Orc Boar Boyz, nice unit upgrade for Savages, choppa rule is better, Pump Wagons are even better! Better rules for squig hoppers and giant squig, herder teams are easier to gather as a unit now (no longer minimum 3 squigs/2 herders as a team, you can buy them individually), stronger magic phases with mushrooms, sneaky stealing attribuite)
    5) Clearer rules to clarify some confusion from old book (Fanatics for e.g.)

    Of course there were some let downs

    1) Magic items, while it's nice to have less to learn in the book, 8 items was a bit stingy! They could have AT LEAST given the books 12 items each!

    2) Common Gobbos - MUCH better now thanks to Skulkers and cheaper unit upgrades for equipment, but shame they didn't allow them to replace hand weapon with bows or spears for FREE, and then pay just 1/2 pt for shields - that could have helped out big time!

    3) Giant Spider should be able to crawl over anything - played a game were we deemed a pile of boulders (about 2" high) as impassibale terrian, seems STUPID that spider can crawl over buildings, woods, without any issue but is stuck behind a pile of rocks!

    So as you can see I for one was estatic about the new book! It's a God send - which is a send from Gork & Mork - so excellent all over!

    And they do REALLY well against elite armies, horde armies - Skaven will give us a tough time but then they give a tough time to every army so not to be worried about!

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