Official WarSeer Finecast Poll.

[paddyalexander]

I was talking about car body primers in general. I have also had no problems with the halfords brand, hence why I recommended it in my previous post. I have found other brands to be quite thicker and once had a friend wreck several of his models by using body primer he picked up from a supermarket.

[azhagmorglum]

Ok, I just ordered my very first finecast model from the GW french website (a lammasu). I was ordering some bases, and decided to try at least once finecast, so I bought this model. I'll let you know all how the model will be, and for sure I'll post pictures here. Now I'm crossing fingers in the hope of not having to do the replacement tango...

[SunTzu]

My Lammasu had one hollow wing tip that I needed to basically sculpt myself, and the mace tail, left foreclaw and teeth were full of holes. (Somehow I only noticed all of this after I'd started gluing it together, and wondered how I'd managed to be so blind... hence why I initially voted "neutral" in this poll, but would now vote "very negative" if I were able to). So those are the bits to watch for I guess?

[Spiney Norman]

I suspect (though I don't know because I have no desire to buy Failcast minis) like most resin models its best if you prime them using car primer.

As a general rule I don't use spray primers on models I really care about. I'm happy enough to spray rank and file, but for characters I'd rather use a brush on undercoat because it gives a thinner coat and a much better finish than the typically quite rough surface you get from an aerosol.

I have had problems brush undercoating my necro finecast models, I don't remember any problems with my TK priest but then I was so glad to have eventually gotten a good sculpt that actually painting the models was a bit of a blurr.

I've not had any problems with paint coming off once dry, but I can imagine that could be a significant problem because of the ridiculous degree of flexibility the model has.

[Jonahmaul]

Slightly off topic but related to the primer discussion can anybody recommend a good matt varnish that isn't too expensive (i.e. like GW's). I have been using the army painter anti-shine but find that it has a tendency to 'dust' and leave little white spots even after I've warmed it in water. I'm assuming there's no real difference between varnish on resin after it's been painted?

[Ebon]

I've been using Vallejo's satin varnish but they make it in matt as well. It's not as expensive as GW's but it's not cheap either.

[shelfunit.]

Vallejo isn't bad - if you mean brush on - they sell it in relatively large bottles http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/inde...od_max_301_000

[Ebon]

Personally, I meant spray.

[Jonahmaul]

I meant spray as well. I'm not looking for something really cheap (you pay for what you get after all) and TAP stuff is £7.50 anyway. Will look at Vallejo but any other suggestions are also welcome.

Back on topic the GW price rise has now come into effect so we can all play finecast lottery for even more ridiculous prices - hurrah! The plastic space marine commander is now almost £15 so finecast is starting to look the cheaper option - wtf?!

[footofgork]

Negative for me, 4 exchanges of the Mangler Squigs and then in the end I had to go in store and take parts from 3 different boxes to make up 1 kit that was "acceptable" at best!

Since it has been assembled and painted (spent ages painting it too!) it has started drooping towards the base, what a pile of **** this stuff is! I shall be making my own Mangler Squigs after I've returned this crap for a refund. I'll also be using converted plastics or ebay metals or models from other companies if the GW comes in Finecast (although I dispute that name is deserved!).

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[Spiney Norman]

I meant spray as well. I'm not looking for something really cheap (you pay for what you get after all) and TAP stuff is £7.50 anyway. Will look at Vallejo but any other suggestions are also welcome.

Back on topic the GW price rise has now come into effect so we can all play finecast lottery for even more ridiculous prices - hurrah! The plastic space marine commander is now almost £15 so finecast is starting to look the cheaper option - wtf?!

With the release of the Dark eldar special infantry Finecast prices have finally reached the point where it is cheaper to buy similar sized resin models from forgeworld than from GW. Infernal Guard are cheaper than witch elves wtf?

More on topic I'm getting some batteries for my camera in town today, then I will post a picture of my mangler squig 3 months after painting and assembly so it can be compared to the official GW pic and hopefully chart the extent of warpage on the model.

[Iron Puritan]

Slightly off topic but related to the primer discussion can anybody recommend a good matt varnish that isn't too expensive (i.e. like GW's). I have been using the army painter anti-shine but find that it has a tendency to 'dust' and leave little white spots even after I've warmed it in water. I'm assuming there's no real difference between varnish on resin after it's been painted?

Temperature and humidity are two things closely linked with varnish going white. Your warming step might be the cause (or at least a factor that exacerbates an existing environmental issue) of your problem, not the brand of product you are using.

[Hendarion]

Well, though you are right, Iron Puritan, Army Painter's Anti-Shine indeed tends to "dust" or give a smoke-like finish more than other brands, no matter how you use it. Sometimes it's fine, sometimes it's not.

[Jonahmaul]

It's worse if I don't warm it though. It's the third can I've had a problem with too. One was years ago and messed up some squig hoppers pretty badly but I figured it was a one off but now I've had two in a row that are leaving white spots and slight dusting in parts (although not as bad as the one I had a few years back). The weather here is not exactly famed for being great but I only varnish when the weather is good.

The fact that finecast has now crept above forgeworld in price is ridiculous. Especially when there's such a disparity in quality (although the problems with recent forgeworld miniatures is also cause for concern).

edit - thanks for the info Hendarion. What do you use?

[Zinge]

Just received my replacement skin wolves from Forgeworld. Originally they were cast in a very similar way to Finecast (the CS guy insisted that it was not the same as Finecast but if something looks like doodoo and smells like doodoo it probably is.....)

Any way the new models are looking great and have been cast using the vacuum/pressure/split mold system. Very pleased that they have sorted this, I was worried that some Forgeworld models just wouldn't be worth purchasing. Their Finecast type stuff was slightly better than GW but no where near good enough for my liking.

[Mirbeau]

My last three metal models have all had really unfortunate mold slips and miscasts - all on faces. The miniatures are a Bretonnian Damsel, A WFB wood elf bsb and Elrond - highly unusual, pics later.

The finecast effect is contageous! (or metal just isn't all that...)

[loveless]

Just received my replacement skin wolves from Forgeworld. Originally they were cast in a very similar way to Finecast (the CS guy insisted that it was not the same as Finecast but if something looks like doodoo and smells like doodoo it probably is.....)

Any way the new models are looking great and have been cast using the vacuum/pressure/split mold system. Very pleased that they have sorted this, I was worried that some Forgeworld models just wouldn't be worth purchasing. Their Finecast type stuff was slightly better than GW but no where near good enough for my liking.

Do you happen to have pictures of both? I'm curious.

[Zinge]

Whats the matter - my wild claim not good enough for you?

Gimme a sec

[Zinge]

Here you go:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55100986/Fo...2/P6140533.JPG New casts - very shiny

Old casts:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55100986/Fo...2/P5170534.JPG - ick!

New casts have less flash, fewer vents and gates, better surface finish and NO BUBBLES!

[loveless]

Whats the matter - my wild claim not good enough for you?

I believed you, I just wasn't able to visualize the difference properly

Thanks for the pics!