Positive: My models were well cast/the material is well detailed and nice to work with.
Neutral: I have no strong feelings either way.
Negative: My models were poorly cast/the material isn't nice to work with.
Went into my local GW with the intention of picking up a finecast broodlord, but the two on the racks were both unacceptably miscast. One had a patch of badly textured carapace, all cratered and lumpy like it suffered from zerg-acne. The other lacked definition on some of its rib-things.
I also had a look at a harlequin death jester as I think they’re pretty cool models, but his face (skullmask, whatever) was just a blobby mess.
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And yet they have done just fine for years, despite having a similar level of problems with the metal miniatures. It quickly became standard practice for me when buying a blister to take all the blisters of the model I wanted off the rails, and look at them all before choosing the one with the fewest casting defects. And if I couldn't find one without major defects, I wouldn't buy one. Sounds like it's business as usual then, but with a lighter, easier to work with material. It's not good, but doesn't sound like "severe problems" to me.
I think in my entire history of GW consumerism I've only encountered one dodgy cast miniature where an elf didn't have an entirely symmetrical face.
The rest was all top-notch.
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Got a commissar lord and nurgle daemon prince for my birthday and while the nurgle daemon prince was impressive....the commissar lord was horribly miscast(discolored a bit and bubbles).......I have mixed feelings but overall I'm not very happy.......I'm curious how well skullmuncha is though'
I would think my nurgle daemon prince would be miscast but I can't tell the difference.......
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I've rarely encountered severly miscast metal miniatures. the odd imperfections are always a given, but alot of the hype around finecast suggest that there is alot more then the odd imperfection.
Internet hyperbole granted, the early signs arent great, and i'd hope that the quality improves as the release pace slows and the molders become more skilled with the material.
that said, for all the hype and the price increase, i expect a product better then metal. at the moment is seems like the reasonable conclusion is that we're receiving a product thats about on par with metal. Ill shortly be purchasing my first finecast miniature and will hopefully be able to do some proper work with it over the weekend once assignments are done. I wont draw too many personal conclusions until i've experienced a small handful of finecast miniatures over a reasonable period of time (as wear and tear are important factors to consider), but I can't honestly say i'm going into this with confidence.
Edit: okay so I've now purchased a finecast Crowe. Was able to pick from 3 blisters, of which I'd only consider 1 unacceptable.
So, positives first. Flat sections of power armor look very nice and crisp as does the links between power armour sections. The cloak is fantastic and smooth and the same can be said for the bulk of the back banner
Now, negative. Seems finecast has difficulty with hard edges. All 3 blisters had some noticeable imperfections around the feet and the hard edges of power armor. On the one o eventually chose, there is a large air bubble on the bottom portion of the banner too. While the cloak on mine is great, one of tw others had numerous air bubbles that would be a pain to fix.
Also, pretty minor but why clamshell packaging? It's the most annoying packaging available.
So, at this stage I am a little underwhelmed. The redeeming factors are reasonably matched by the negative ones, but with my skill level in painting and with grew stuff, the negatives will have far more effect on my final product then the positives will. At this stage, I'd be satisfied to spend as much on this product as I did the metal version but I fail to see the justification for a pricerise based on quality alone.
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I've bought some Striking Scorpions, but I didn't open the container until I got home and din't notive any problems until I was nearly done. Two of the chainsword sprues were horribly misaligned, so I'll try to bring them back tomorrow. Everything else was great, nice and detailed and easy to work with. The plasticized resin was easy to cut and clean, and adhered nearly instantly when glued. The models feel like plastic, but look like metal characters. They were a dozen times faster to clean than similar "restic" models put out by Privateer Press, so I was expecting a less pleasant experience. Depending on how the exchange goes, I will probably be very pleased with Finecast and continue to purchase Finecast models. (I will hold off voting until then. And maybe until I can get another kit done.)
I don't consider the miscast to be problem so long as GW corrects it. It's not like I've never had problems with plastic kits before, and I love those. Frankly, the only time I've ever had trouble getting a replacement for a miscast part was through Privateer Press, so I'm not worried.
Bob wins!
I give finecast 7 of 10
its not perfect but its NOT that bad ither
it's proving easier to work with, it's lighter, it cleans up quick and is far far crisper looking.
BUT.... it does have issues in quality. small bubbles resulting in missing detail is a pain.
I had a pretty nicely cast commissar lord. It did take some cleaning up, but no gap filling. It was easier to work with than similar metal models, so on the whole I'm happy. I would be very upset if my first 'finecast' model wasnt up to scratch though, and it sounds like a lot of people have had bad experiences.
My commissar is here if anyone's interested
I brought Dante, which is an excellent quality mould with more detail than the metal one took me 2 minutes to clean and glue so big thumbs up from me.
To anyone moaning about the amount of cleaning and cost have you ever bought an item from forgeworld?? costs a fortune, looks lovely but needs hours of cleaning not just flash and mouldlines im talking physical cleaning to remove the layer of film from the moulds.
So i think finecast is cool and the amont of miscast items iv had from forgeworld is untrue.
I have 3 thunderhawk hull bottoms in my bits box that are toally knackered.
Still cant please them all.
No, I've not bought from Forgeworld, precisely for the reason that their standards appeared to be lower than Citadel's. And, for finecast, I'm not talking about flash, or mouldlines, but detail destroying bubbles.
A business needs to please enough people to make a profit. If Citadel/GW don't sort out the finecast quality control problems then they will find this harder to achieve.
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I just got another Finecast model: the Dwarf Lord with Hammer and Shield. He was the easiest model I've ever put together. It took only about 10 or 15 seconds to clean him! There were no mold lines, very little flash at all (two scrape's worth), and the only bubble was on the underside of his cape. He glued together in seconds. I am definitely a happy customer.
Bob wins!
Ummm, no? I've been collecting since the early nineties and I don't ever remember getting a mismoulded model. Certainly nothing too memorable anyway. And I'm reallly OC with that kind of thing.
So yeh, failcast and metal do not have the same level of problems.
I got the vampiress and Crowe both very good no bubbles no missing or warped parts glued quickly and securly so much that my local manager had me test the bond by chucking the vamp in the air and bouncing on the tables didn't bend snap or come apart(they are really small joins on her shoulders if it did break he'd replace it) love the stuff cleans quick and paints well even without a wash or undercoat. Saw abbadon he's got the eye of hourus on his forehead molded there never seen that before ever I'm very pleased.
As I've mentioned in the other Finecast thread I purchased Azhag and, no matter what I do he will not fit together correctly - on very close inspection it looks as though there has been an air-bubble that has warped the neck join on the head so it won't fit into the chest piece correctly (it's not just a case of GS the gap, I'd have to rebuild a portion of the neck) and the tail piece seems too large for the body.
There's also a hideous mold slip on his left hand.
However, I'm refraining from voting as I'm going to take him back today and see if we can find one that's ok - if we can then I'm not going to be too put out by one bad cast.
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Odd. I've been collecting since the early 90s too, and have had that problem more times than I can count. Maybe I'm just unlucky.
So, I've got a bit of a dilemma. I want to buy the hellcannon, and I hear it's a bit of a bitch to put together. So I was thinking I'll wait for the finecast version, which should be a lot easier to put together. But if there's really as much of a problem with finecast as some people say, perhaps I should be rushing to buy it while it's still available in metal.
Hmm. No, I think I'll buy finecast and keep sending it back until I get a decent version.
For the hellcannon specifically, it was an absolute bugger in metal. I can't promise the resin version will be any better, but I can't see any way for it to be any worse. So yeah, get the hellcannon in resin.
Other than that, I've been buying from GW for 22 years, and I've only had, I dunno, maybe five miscast metals models in that time? YMMV.
Mostly positive. I'd give it 4 out of 5 (for my model at least).
I bought and assembled Queek Headtaker in store today (GW York).
Casting: pretty good, a few mould lines, some flash, maybe one or two blemishes. Only problem was that the rat at the front was missing one of his front paws but could be worse.
Assembly: Took me about half and hour, although thats probably because I was taking my time. Easier to snip off the frame and get rid of excess stuff although It did take a lot of filing to slot him in his base. Glued just like a plastic model; no need to hold the arms in place or whatnot.
Quality: Its very flexible, much to my worry when trying to ram him into his base. Can't be sure if there is more detail as I would need to compare him to a metal version. Superb sculpt.
One of the staff dropped a Drgaon Ogre Shaggoth on the floor to demonstrate how strong it is, which is pretty impressive. Did hear some grumbling about miscasts though. Overall, I'm impressed though.
My overall experience has been positive. I picked up Canis Wolfborn and finally got around to assembling him last night.
There was a minor casting issue on the wolf's snout (big chunk of resin that I had to very carefully cut off) and there was a bit of something stuck in the fur (not sure what it is, but I've seen it on several of the models). That was kind of a pain to get off, but not the end of the world.
The model went together very nicely - the super glue bonds the parts almost instantly and assembly was a breeze. I need to do a little bit of gap filling, but other than that, the model looks great.
I'm pleased overall with my purchase and will probably buy more. I had already bought Njal Stormcaller in metal, but I may pick him up in resin as I've heard the metal model can be a bit of a pain to assemble.
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My initial views are less than encouraging. Helped someone who bought some Sternguard in order to get a feel for finecast before my Wracks arrive from pre-order. The material is similar to PP's plastics in that it has a little give in it. Helps if you are a little heavy handed whilst assembling, but it is a problem if you slip whilst cutting it.
The detail evident in the models is much better than the metals, but then the problems are much more glaring for it. I saw someone's techmarine, much of the detail on one of the shoulder pads and one of the scrolls were pretty much bisected by flash. The guy's Sternguard had issues as well, where one model's head looked as if it would have to be pretty much rebuilt on one half.
Having not seen any finecast painted yet, I cannot comment on how well paint adheres to the surface. People have been touting this stuff based on the idea that it won't chip like metals do, but it may have other issues instead.
I suppose my verdict is that GW need to pull their pants up regarding quality control if finecast is going to replace metals. Time will tell if they can do it though.
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