Official WarSeer Finecast Poll.

[TheNationalist]

I went to the store for dante... they had 2 blisters, one seemed ok the other bad. I rarely go to actual gw's so the used car salesman sharking from the manager was unexpected. I got the better one and opened it outside to see it in better light. His stomach had several small bubbles, and there was half of the pistol barrel missing. He also had a weird textured look that mmay have gone well with nurgle... I quickly returned it, and remembered why I go to my flgs. Severly dissapointed.
I am biased to a point however, because I like my hqs having some weight to them. This also isn't my first miscast ( I have a metal dread that didn't quite fit, but I was able to easly paint it to look like melee battle damage) I can deal with small amount of things to gripe about, but this was not an acceptable amount of mistakes.
I will give finecast two bits of praise however... first, it will help some who have trouble with top heavy units, like tyranids. The other praise it gets is that the Details appear sharper, but on second thought I take this back, the lack of shine could have given me the idea it was better detailed. But still, overall, the material in generall is a downgrade, and if they fix miscasrs, it could become equal to metal, but not better.

[howardmonsoonmoon]

My brother picked me up Lelith and incubi on the day of release and i have just looked at them this afternoon.

Yes there is lots of flash but its very easy to remove, it ligther and the detail IS better. I have just spent two weeks finally putting together the incubi i got before x mas so i have spent a little while with these models recently and the resin versions are better, well they are now.....

Two of the incubi had there faces badly miscast and one of those two had poor casting on the rear of the armour. I took this back to warhammer world where the item was purchased and i couldnt sepak more highly of the staff. They were very polite and proffesional, they apologised.

I had barely explained the probem to the guy on the till and his mate had emerged with a new box to exchange. They said, there were quality control issues, they know. They said it will get better. They said this is a "premuim product" and you expect it to be as such. They even offered if needed to open every box in the store till i was happy. The second box though were pretty spot on.

I think this i positive move over all, i have worked with GW metals for nearly twenty years and metal models always had issues and needed work. In fact with the prevelence of plastic in the last ten years i think i have got a bit spoilt about my expectations of models.

The lelith model is lovely though.

[ted1138]

Got my first finecasts in post today, Commissar Yarrick and TA Librarian. First fault, the Librarian's cowl, the tip above his face has an air bubble that destroys half of it, looks very bad as that's where your eye is drawn on the figure. The 2nd, the claws that attach to Yarricks power fist are missing, not on sprue, not loose, package not opened yet so didn't fall out.

[Ben]

Had a good look at a couple of models in store today. The Stern was the same quality as the one in the blog someone keeps hawking round. The nose was miscast, with one side fine but then no other side, leaving a paper thin nose that would need the right side rebuilding with greenstuff.

Compared to the hybrid plastic resin mantic kits, or even the forgeworld stuff I've got this initial release just doesn't cut it. Particularly combined with another price rise.

[SunTzu]

It frightens me how many people say "I was pretty satisfied, part of the model was missing but could have been worse".

No, at this price, it could not have been worse. Obviously any model will need cleaning up - whatever material it is made from - with the possible exceptions of a few I've bought from Hasselfree that were perfect right out of the box. But anything more than minor cleanup - any bits missing or damaged or out of shape - should NOT be considered acceptable. ESPECIALLY at the asking price.

[ColShaw]

SunTzu's right. Anything other than quality in the high 90% range would be unacceptable for what's being advertised as a premium product.

[Voss]

Its also unacceptable when the flaws are more common in the new, 'premium' version than they were in the old, standard version.

[BobtheInquisitor]

It's acceptable if you can return the miscast parts and get a replacement without miscasts. Keeping those flawed models would be terrible, but replacing them does not make the entire enterprise a failure or the model unacceptable. I've had to exchange lots and lots of faulty models in the past. This is no different.

[Sgt John Keel]

It's acceptable if you can return the miscast parts and get a replacement without miscasts. Keeping those flawed models would be terrible, but replacing them does not make the entire enterprise a failure or the model unacceptable. I've had to exchange lots and lots of faulty models in the past. This is no different.

I don't think it would be outlandish to consider a high replacement percentage unacceptable. The time spent replacing the miniature should be attributed to the already high cost, and I don't believe GW will refund travel expenditures?

Imagine if you bought a few computers (for your workplace or whatever) and you had to return a decent number of them two times before you got a full working set. Wouldn't you just try another company the next time you needed an upgrade?

[djhowitzer]

i got the autarch with wings today.

lies i was told by the store manager:

it comes with all the weapon options - no it doesnt. no fusion gun. no scorpian chainsword, etc etc.

no need to undercoat, just paint straight onto the model - as if! thats why all the paint is sliding around like it is on oil.

also, there were a lot of imperfections and it took me ages to clean the model. and some of it was irredeemable - so now his sword arm is on at a very funny angle.

truths i was told by the store manager:

it sticks together easily and with a strong bond - yep. thats true.

the detail looks great - yep. thats true too.

on balance i am unconvinced, and glad that i have built most of my army already. however, i may get used to the things in time

[ted1138]

Just built Crowe and the TA Librarian, both had loads of air bubbles(C=17,L=27), in fact there was so many in Crowe's stormbolter it looked like a piece of swiss cheese. But, other than that, and a wonky sword(comical droop to it), the quality of detail/casting was fine, much better than metal.



PS, what the hell is with this funky pink stuff in the crevices? Space toe-jam?

[Hellebore]

Just built Crowe and the TA Librarian, both had loads of air bubbles(C=17,L=27), in fact there was so many in Crowe's stormbolter it looked like a piece of swiss cheese. But, other than that, and a wonky sword(comical droop to it), the quality of detail/casting was fine, much better than metal.

YOu know, I think if you undercoated a metal and resin version of the same model and put them next to each other you couldn't tell the difference. Metal is shiny so any irregularities cause light to reflect off at multiple angles, distorting the appearance. Resin doesn't do that. Undercoat them both grey and you'll see no real difference.

PS, what the hell is with this funky pink stuff in the crevices? Space toe-jam?

That is actually chunks of the mold use to cast the model...

Hellebore

[neXus6]

Obviously any model will need cleaning up - whatever material it is made from - with the possible exceptions of a few I've bought from Hasselfree that were perfect right out of the box.

I hideously unfairly compare everything to Hasslefree cause they really are brilliant.

People who say resin is better because it sticks easier than metal have obviously never worked with high quality metal models with joins that fit perfectly (i.e. unlike any metal GW has ever produced).

[rabblerouser]

Wow 45% unsatisfied and 21% indifferent. Talk about fail!

[SunTzu]

loads of air bubbles, in fact there was so many in Crowe's stormbolter it looked like a piece of swiss cheese. But, other than that...

My old car, by the end, used to try to turn when you wanted it to go in a straight line, and go in a straight line when you tried to steer around a corner. Other than that, everything was fine - maybe I should have kept it instead of buying a new, safer one?

[jamesterjlrb]

I think what people need to realise is that this is the first time they're releasing resin on such a large scale. I think with time, and with sculpts dedicated to finecast, the quality will improve. Although i have positive feelings i withhold full judgement.

[DarkWarrior1981]

I got my hands on one Azhag model yesterday and I must say, it is very good. The casting was nice, a few mould lines here and there, but no miscast, nothing is missing or broken. There is only one small imperfection (a small hole in one of his teeth), but I can easily fix this. The only thing which is negative is the fitting of two parts (the neck and the torso of the wyvvern), but I know this was not perfect with the metal version either, so this is also no problem due to the resin.
Overall I think that this model is much easier to assemble (because of the weight) in resin and I am looking forward to assemble and paint it (which should happen within the next months).
From my side a "positive" vote in favour of finecast.

[Athariel]

I got my first finecast model a couple of days ago the Vampire Lord.

I was actually quite impressed with the model. I have the same one in metal and the detail was much much better, clearer and sharper.

There was very little tidying up of the model a bit of flashing and a couple of very small air bubbles so I must have got lucky with a good cast. There was nothing missing or broken, nor was there any strange coating or discolouration.

So for me it is positive although this is only based on one model. I am sure as they work with the material more and more things will increase in quality.

[ihavetoomuchminis]

I think what people need to realise is that this is the first time they're releasing resin on such a large scale. I think with time, and with sculpts dedicated to finecast, the quality will improve. Although i have positive feelings i withhold full judgement.

I think that people need to realize that GW is getting money from us. They are not giving us their models for FREE.

[The Marshel]

just a quick thought on whether the detail is better, should the question be "is the detail better then metal?" or "is the detail superior enough to that of metals so that it will actually have a notable effect on the finished, painted model of the average gamer?"

My point is that it is better in detail, but as impressed as i am by the smoothness of crowes cloak, i dont see how it's going to result in a superior paint job for myself. I'm sure the elite competition painters will benefit from it, but personally, the slight improvment in detail just wont have a worth while effect on my final paint job.

Basically, finecast doesn't just have to be better, but has to be better enough to justify the whole switch and price rise.