1750 Grey Knight "Army"

[yarrickson]

40K Army: Daemonhunters

Righty-ho. Playing around with the Grey Knight Codex the other night and quite fancy the below list. I can see in my head kinda how it would work and am aware it has its limitations. It might also be stupid and just a little silly, but hey thats the hobby.

Giving consideration to taking this down the Road to October Throne of Skulls.

Army is Thus:

Draigo
Stern
Paladin with Stave
Paladin with Stave
3 Dreadknights with the jumpy packs, flamers and cannons
Stormraven with psy-ammo, extra armour and teleport homer.

Its a magical 8 Models and a magnificent 1750 points.

Thanks to deep strike, the jumpy packs and the stormraven its a fairly nippy army when I need it to be. Its also got a fair bit of firepower. Potential of 5 large templates, maybe 4 little ones and some flamer templates rocking around plus sterns strength test thingy and the obvious CC potential. Plus the silly S7, S6 and S5 bolt ammo on the raven.

Comments Chaps?

[Aldarionn]

Well....erm.....it's certainly unique. But that's about the only thing I can say for it. The Paladins may have Warding Staves but those only work in close combat. The Dreadknights are bearing the primary burden of this army, and while you have some cute tricks, it just doesn't have enough models. TH/SS Terminators would eat the Dreadknights alive, even if they get a bit torn up in the process, and the Paladins will die to bolter fire. Take enough shots and you will lose wounds.

But I assume you know all this, and it's certainly amusing.

[Volandum]

The paladins and Stern are easy to melta/darklight/laser snipe, and pose practically no threat to armour. The Dreadknights and Draigo are practically all you've got.

[yarrickson]

Slightly harder to snipe whilst one of them and stern are in the 'raven, or hovering in deep strike as long as possible with stern on the board somewhere safe (haha, yeah unlikely) minusing 1 from my reserve rolls. But I take your points.

I'm confused by the implication that Dreadknights and Draigo aren't enough though. Draigo: Mr "Hi, can you remember when Lysander was Hard, I'm Draigo and I too have a wee beard and this gives me awesome power..." Surely he's enough on his own.

If the bloody raven could have S8 missiles instead of the silly psykblasts I'd be happier with my anti-tank. As it stands I've only got three S10 MC's who also rock S7 rending blasteroos , a S7 rending assault cannon and a bunch of S5 and S6 at best close combat attacks from my dudes.

I've been playing with Sanguinary Guard for about a year and have been getting fed up with having to deploy 24 models, reckon reducing it to 8 with the above will sort that out.

I think that with a bit of playing around with tactics and that I might win the occasional game. But chimera/rhino/raider/battlewagon armies to pose a wee problemo I suppose.

[Volandum]

Draigo, meet an Autocannon/Autocannon Dreadnought. You'll be friends forever. He's hard, but he can only do so much to the battle, and there are ways to keep him out.

Also, how many bolter/lasgun/shoota shots can he take? A lot, but whole Tactical squads have been erased by bolt fire, and he's about as tough as a full squad.

If you don't like deploying models at start of game, you can deploy 4-5 with a Land Raider or Battlewagon list.

[yarrickson]

I already have the 5 Land Raider Blood angel list. But inside those tough nuts are an irritating 26 Space Marines that I kight have to get out at some point.

I just think theres something really epic and heroic and grey knighty about having these 8 Heroic dudes, who are after all mostly just human (ish), well ok superhuman but still, stand against the varied xenos and chaos hordes of the day.

Yeah I know the power of bolters/massed gunfire. Number of times I've lost Mephiston and Dante to a round of massed crapfire... But. It's Cool?

[yarrickson]

Volandum, I assume thats a codex space marine autocannon/autocannon dreadnought and not a Codex grey knights one. One of the few walkers Draigo could actually kill....

Yeah Draigo doesn't like armour 12 or more. Unless its a Grey Knight Dread, furioso librarian or a Soulgrinder or similiar.

[Volandum]

Yep, that's the standard one.

Well, if you think it's cool I don't think there's much left for me to say.

EDIT: By the way, Draigo can also commune, in case you missed that.

[Aldarionn]

It's debatable whether or nor GW will make Doomfists double the strength of Monstrous Creatures. By the RAW it doesn't work right now, and FAQ would have to change that. Also, just a heads up in case you run into a Rules Lawyer, if you give the Dreadknights Personal Teleporters, they become Jump Infantry which means they lose Relentless and 2D6 Armor Pen against vehicles. Another issue that the FAQ will need to fix. If you combine all of those problems, you have precisely 5 weapons that can damage a Land Raider, three of which cannot move and fire, and absolutely nothing that can damage a Monolith.

Just figured I would point that out, in case your TO decides to royally screw your army.

[thedarkside555]

I dont really know if a list with 8 models can do something.

[Crynn]

It's debatable whether or nor GW will make Doomfists double the strength of Monstrous Creatures. By the RAW it doesn't work right now, and FAQ would have to change that. Also, just a heads up in case you run into a Rules Lawyer, if you give the Dreadknights Personal Teleporters, they become Jump Infantry which means they lose Relentless and 2D6 Armor Pen against vehicles. Another issue that the FAQ will need to fix. If you combine all of those problems, you have precisely 5 weapons that can damage a Land Raider, three of which cannot move and fire, and absolutely nothing that can damage a Monolith.

Just figured I would point that out, in case your TO decides to royally screw your army.

Not a place for this debate however gaining the status of jump infantry does not overright having another staus of MC so no it still is an MC. This has been fairly well covered in other threads where it is clear there is nothing that stops you from being in two types of unit categories. Though the str 6 part does stand, they are indeed not Str 10.

Regards,

Crynn

[yarrickson]

Well it's been almost a year now and I just wanted to say that I've had a lot of success with a tiny grey knights army consisting of.

Draigo.
Librarian with stave and powers.
Two paladin apothecaries with staves.
Two teleport dreadknights with heavy incinerators and heavy PSycannons.
Vindicare.

Thats my 1500 points anyway. I reckon I'm winning 50% of the time with the other fifty split maybe thirty losses and some draws.

Dark eldar are an issue but it holds up well against most other armies.

[steevn]

do tell me how do you deploy, do you keep them in hiding all the time? all deepstrike?

[Commandojimbob]

If you think it looks fun, go for it. However I certainly would not fear this with my Inquisition or Necron army but I would love to face it for a laugh.

Warning, my mate did face something similar, all be it at a smaller point level, with his drop pod marines and beat it easily.

[yarrickson]

Usual trick is to deploy draigo and a paladin hidden, cast plus 1 to reserve rolls then deep strike the Libby and paladin and outflank the dreadknights and vindicare. Assuming the Libby lasts a turn he then casts the summoning to bring draigo across the board.

Works well in kill points and base objectives. And ti my mind is as close to a 'movie marine' army as you can get. :-D

[bebe]

I've been playing the movie marine list for quite some time. My won/lost record is not that good although it is fun. I would not play it above 1500. At 1850-2000
I use Draigo, tecmarine (fitted out for cc), vindicare, 6 teminators w/Thawn, 2x 5 paladins w/ apoth and max psycannons, 5 purgation squad. Still not a large list
but it has nine psycannons and 24 models. This is the 1500 list ...


-It's Hammer Time-
-Movie Marines-

HQ 475

Lord Kaldor Draigo
Inquisitor Fyodor Karamazov

Troops 840

5 Terminators, Deamonhammer, Psycannon/Sword, Halberds (2), Justicar Thawn 300

2 Paladin Squad, Deamonhammer, Warding Stave 135
2 Paladin Squad, Deamonhammer, Warding Stave 135
2 Paladin Squad, Deamonhammer, Warding Stave 135
2 Paladin Squad, Deamonhammer, Warding Stave 135

Heavy Support 185

Dreadknight, Heavy Incinerator, Doomfist, Greatsword 185

-1500-

I have 16 models. The terminator squad I find near essential to bolster the list. I use the DK but it should be a purgation squad too. Staves only work in cc. If you really want to abuse them get Karamazov.

For 1850 I add
Vindicare 145
Techmarine, RAd Blind, Psycho, Servo Skulls (3) 155
Terminator MC Force Sword 50

[yarrickson]

Good list. :-D 16 models is a lot though. At 1500 I have 7 which allows for lots of 7 samurai/ magnificent 7 jokes/references during the game. :-P

[purge the daemon]

Well I just thought of a small GK list

2*Librarian shroudind and deep strike ability
2*5 termites 1 hammer 2 sword 1 halberd 1 halberd psycannon
3*ven dread assault cannon and fist heavy flamer psyflame psybolt warp stabalization
3* dread assault cannon and fist heavy flamer psyflame psybolt warp stabalization

I dub thy terminoughts everything runs around deepstrike shoot pull and clear up in assault.

[yarrickson]

6 dreads is pretty decent. But you've way too many troops for my taste :-P

[bebe]

Just played a 1850 game against DoA BA. Only real additions were a Vindicare and a Callidus. Karamazov/Callidus/Warding Stave/Thawn/Astral Aim - very frustrating for my opponent. I scouted my Purgation forward w/ my terminators. A lot of fun. Still lost a close match with a few bad rolls late. Shoulf have held the Callidus back longer to contest.