What Grinds your Gears?

[magikjoka]

People who criticize my table top standard painted army while they have straight out of box army.

[TheConverter15]

The new White Dwarf policy

[Colonel_Kreitz]

You know what grinds my gears?

-GW decals. They are too damn shiny for me to use

That's actually fixable! After you apply the decal, put a layer of gloss varnish on over it. Once the gloss varnish dries, apply matte varnish over that.

I had the same problem, but doing that made them work quite nicely.

[Lord Gabranth]

That's actually fixable! After you apply the decal, put a layer of gloss varnish on over it. Once the gloss varnish dries, apply matte varnish over that.

I had the same problem, but doing that made them work quite nicely.

I love you now........that was kinda weird........

Kreitz stopped one of my grinding gears by lubing it........that was a bit weirder...........

Sorry.......and thank you for the advice, I never thought of using a matte varnish over the top of a gloss one to get rid of the horrible glossy mess that is GW decals..

[Born Again]

Here's what's grinding my gears at the moment.

For my gaming table at home, I use a simple piece of MDF, painted green. However, in one spot of the board there was a big ugly lump where the paint was thicker that I've been wanting to fix up, and I also wanted to do the reverse side as an urban/ ash waste board. I had to put it off for a long time as it's been raining for some time (messy work needs to be done outside, and no room in the garage). Then I finally get a sunny day when I've off work and set to it.

I sand back the paint lump, and apply some touch up paint until it looks nice and even with the rest of the board. Once it's dried I then flip the board over and spray the whole thing black. I then go to give it a dusting/ patch spray type thing with some gray paint... only the lid won't come off the can, it's stuck tight. I finally manage to wrench it off, only it breaks off the nozzle with it, making the whole can unusable.

Admitting defeat and deciding to pack it all up for today, I take the board off of the portable workbench it's been sitting on, only to find that the green side is now covered in old, dried up varnish that has peeled off the workbench! I tried to get it off and it started pulling off the green paint too, meaning that side has to be redone again, if it's even salvageable at all without sanding the entire thing bare... I really don't know if it's worth the effort, and am thinking of just getting one of the Citadel Battlemats to throw over the table instead.

[Freakiq]

People that judge others based on the army they play.

Just because my friends play Guard they aren't WAAC ******** and just because I play Ultramarines I'm not a Calgar-worshipping beginner.

[onidemon]

I got one... this scenario:

"I assault that ork mob with my Defiler, and... lets see, remove three orks."

"Okay, and it looks like the only thing in my mob that can hurt the Defiler back is the nob with the power klaw, so lets see... that's two penetrating hits. And... weapon destroyed, and, never mind, looks like vehicle destroyed. No explosion though."

"WHAT? You lied!"

"How's that?"

"You said they couldn't hurt it!"

"I did...?"

"Two turns ago, I asked if those orks could hurt the Defiler, and you said no they couldn't!"

"I... I do remember that. And it was true, they were twenty four inches away, and that mob has only Big Shootas, they couldn't hurt the Defiler at that range with those, it's front armor is too thick."

"You didn't mention the power-klaw!"

"Because... I was twenty four inches away? I couldn't charge you that turn. Besides it's on the nob model that you can see on the table. And every mob in my whole army has a nob wielding a power-klaw because it's 5th edition and this edition makes a powerfist/klaw wielding squad leader virtually invulnerable, and they're primarily how I deal with the ork army's weakness toward anti-armor."

"I can't see that from way over here! And I shouldn't have to look, I asked you! I asked you and you told me it was fine! I wouldn't have... Jeezus... I... I just... I just can't believe... I'm never taking that thing again, it's worthless... it's completely worthless... this is such bull... I just don't... *ongoing rage filled fuming until all sense of pleasure or fun has been killed*"

I title the above "A conversation between men in their thirties."

For what it's worth, I've gotten the same way playing "Starfleet Battles" against a far more competent opponent than I, so I guess we can all get cranky.

[icag1]

Probably all of the above at some point. It happens when you look in the mirror and wonder where the last 30yr went. Oh, I remember...it started in that basement with my mate saying he had a new game called D&D. I still wonder how long my wife-in-another-life kept waiting for... Why didn't I take up fishing instead, at least I would have a tan...

Actually, here's one, being a physicist and having to read some of the utter, total spooge written about weapons/ tech/ space-travel etc etc in some of the fluff. Okay, Angewandte Chemie or Chem. Phys. Phys. Chem. journals are prob beyond the average GW staffer but at least look in Wiki or google the damn subject before you subject us to total custard. You *&@"&$%#~ mono-browed cretins!!!!

Sorry I realise its for the kids and no one cares but we've had 200yrs of sci-fi now people, we're a little bit beyond Jules Verne and Elastic-Trickery...

[FlashGordon]

The new White Dwarf policy

Um wasnt the new WD policy to turn it into a hobby magazine again instead of a showcase catalogue?

[Hicks]

People who say tyranid players have no right to complain about the codex.

[Chief Librarian Zypher]

aside from the massive headache from the agreeance on other things on this post, here are mine:

- people who show up late to a tournament and still get to play
- people who make a list on the spot 5 minutes before a tournament
- people who can't read the rules and then when i correct them i'm "wrong"
- games that turn into a teaching match (more teaching than playing)
- games that turn into a teaching match during a tournament
- people who tell me that i don't know how to play my army when they don't even own that army
- people who can't have the integrity to admit their wrong and try and cover it up / lie / cheat about it
- people who "pivot" their vehicles from a corner instead of the center
- anyone who compares 40k to fantasy (and vice versa)
- people that launch a moral arguement and get my blood pressure up because they don't want a certain model to die when i clearly kill him and spend 1/2 hour or more digging through rulebooks to find a rule that keeps him alive when he is clearly dead
- people who don't read the rules!!! it needed to be said again
- people who don't mark vehicle damage done and wounds and then try to do something that they cant

- and my biggest one: SPECTATOR-COACHES!!! YOUR NOT PLAYING, SO SHUT UP, LEAVE ME AND MY OPPONENT TO PLAY OUR GAME, QUIT COACHING HIM, GO AWAY AND PLAY YOUR OWN GAME!!!!!!!!!

.... and i'm sure with enough thought, the list will go on and on and on.....

so theres my input

[javgoro]

The Grey Knight codex fluff.

Rules lawyers that move their land raiders, then pivot them laterally to place their rhinos behind them, out of line of sight, then on the next turn pivot the land raider, move it forward, then back to the side, rhinos behind once more.

The Grey Knight codex fluff.

In general, all WAAC attitudes.

Did I mention the Grey Knight codex fluff?

I think that's all.

P.S: The Grey Knight codex fluff also grinds my gears.

[Born Again]

People who think models are cool because of their statline, but even worse; people who won't field their favourite models because their 'poor' stats. Its just pathetic

I wouldn't say it 'grinds my gears' (unless they criticize me for doing the opposite), but I don't really understand that kind of playing.

Ok, I freely admit this one is rather sad, but the term 'build' really grinds my gears, in relation to army lists. If someone says to me "My ork army has an Evil Sunz biker theme", then I know they'll have lots of bikes but exactly what, and the details of the list, are still open. The term 'build', if they say "My ork army is a Biker Nob build" just has the connotation that it is a photocopied, generic list exactly the same in every detail to all the other biker nob build armies and, as mentioned above, I don't dig that kind of gaming.

[Eighties-Matt]

- People who think your post count on Warseer = your experience playing 40k.
- People who touch my models without asking.
- People who try to use my brushes, glue, etc without asking.
- People who borrow my dice, templates and tape measure while Im playing a game without asking.
- People who leave my dice, templates and tape measure on their table after I agree to let them borrow it.
- People who steal things from anyone, be it me, the shop, or a fellow gamer. Its just not cricket.
- Small children.
- People who measure vehicle movement from the front of a tank, and then move it so the rear of the tank is next to the end of the tape measure, rather than the front.
- People who mount models on things larger than bases, such as rocks.
- People who think they're clever by picking up dice that have missed when they roll a bucketful of dice, thinking I havent noticed.
- People who give models wargear they cant have, and then complain when you dont let them use it. "This is my Ultramarine captain, he has a lascannon, a power fist, a plasma cannon, 4 melta guns, a Deffgun and a demo charge."
- People who go to play at a store, and try to use the same "house rules" they use at their mates.
- People who dont follow the force organisation chart. "What do you mean I cant have 5 vindicators? I paid for them!"
- People who think its ok to go over the points limit by like 5 points.
- People who ask "instead of a mission, how about we just kill each other?"
- People who like to have non apocalypse games that have about 4 people in them.
- People who are dishonest.
- People who stink. You're going to a crowded public place, have a damn shower first!
- People who gawk when a girl comes in to take a look around.
- People who dont talk to female players because they think it will make them seem desperate.
- People who continue to argue over a rule even though Im pointing at the line in a rulebook which proves them wrong.
- Forge World models arriving warped.
- People saying they dont want to play me because I use guard.
- CSM players who dont have the spine to play a fully dedicated legion list anymore. "What? No Lash Princes? No Obliterators? No way"
- People who play armies with a different codex, even when they have their own codex. I.E CSM as BA
- People who agree with me on what cover on the board gives what cover save at the start of a game, but it suddenly becomes much better when their models are sitting in it.
- People who pretend they have wargear that they dont. "Charging me with your dreadnought? Well, ummm, my Sargeant has Melta bombs, and I gave the rest of the squad krak grenades."
- People who's lists differ greatly from what they're using.
- People who complain when I say Im using traitor guard using the IG codex.
- People who tell me to use the Lost and the Damned codex or one of the Vraks lists instead. FGSFDS
- People who DONT yell Waaagh! when using their Waaagh! for the game. If you'z gonna play da Orks, ya has ta do it roight! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGG HHHHHHH

I've got loads more, but cba to type them all.

[magath]

- People who think your post count on Warseer = your experience playing 40k.
- People who touch my models without asking.
- People who try to use my brushes, glue, etc without asking.
- People who borrow my dice, templates and tape measure while Im playing a game without asking.
- People who leave my dice, templates and tape measure on their table after I agree to let them borrow it.
- People who steal things from anyone, be it me, the shop, or a fellow gamer. Its just not cricket.
- Small children.
- People who measure vehicle movement from the front of a tank, and then move it so the rear of the tank is next to the end of the tape measure, rather than the front.
- People who mount models on things larger than bases, such as rocks.
- People who think they're clever by picking up dice that have missed when they roll a bucketful of dice, thinking I havent noticed.
- People who give models wargear they cant have, and then complain when you dont let them use it. "This is my Ultramarine captain, he has a lascannon, a power fist, a plasma cannon, 4 melta guns, a Deffgun and a demo charge."
- People who go to play at a store, and try to use the same "house rules" they use at their mates.
- People who dont follow the force organisation chart. "What do you mean I cant have 5 vindicators? I paid for them!"
- People who think its ok to go over the points limit by like 5 points.
- People who ask "instead of a mission, how about we just kill each other?"
- People who like to have non apocalypse games that have about 4 people in them.
- People who are dishonest.
- People who stink. You're going to a crowded public place, have a damn shower first!
- People who gawk when a girl comes in to take a look around.
- People who dont talk to female players because they think it will make them seem desperate.
- People who continue to argue over a rule even though Im pointing at the line in a rulebook which proves them wrong.
- Forge World models arriving warped.
- People saying they dont want to play me because I use guard.
- CSM players who dont have the spine to play a fully dedicated legion list anymore. "What? No Lash Princes? No Obliterators? No way"
- People who play armies with a different codex, even when they have their own codex. I.E CSM as BA
- People who agree with me on what cover on the board gives what cover save at the start of a game, but it suddenly becomes much better when their models are sitting in it.
- People who pretend they have wargear that they dont. "Charging me with your dreadnought? Well, ummm, my Sargeant has Melta bombs, and I gave the rest of the squad krak grenades."
- People who's lists differ greatly from what they're using.
- People who complain when I say Im using traitor guard using the IG codex.
- People who tell me to use the Lost and the Damned codex or one of the Vraks lists instead. FGSFDS
- People who DONT yell Waaagh! when using their Waaagh! for the game. If you'z gonna play da Orks, ya has ta do it roight! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGG HHHHHHH

I've got loads more, but cba to type them all.

Perhaps a more prudent question for you would be "what doesn't grind your gears?"

On topic. 2 things, and 2 things only grind my gears a bit:

1: Non player coaches. Chief Librarian Zypher said it far better than I ever could.

2: Bad winners. Yes, you won, stop dancing, get down from the table, put your trousers on and stop behaving like a tool.

[Eighties-Matt]

Perhaps a more prudent question for you would be "what doesn't grind your gears?"

...I cant think of anything

[DCLXVI]

...."I can't see that from way over here! And I shouldn't have to look, I asked you! I asked you and you told me it was fine! I wouldn't have... Jeezus... I... I just... I just can't believe... I'm never taking that thing again, it's worthless... it's completely worthless... this is such bull... I just don't... *ongoing rage filled fuming until all sense of pleasure or fun has been killed*"

Heh, reminds me of a recent Planetstrike game I had. My mate deploys Kharn the Betrayer in a bastion, alone. Start of my first turn I bring on a Wave Serpent with lances and a footslogging squad of Fire Dragons. The Serpent destroys the bastion then the Dragons melta old Kharn to death.
Cue my mate bemoaning the fact that he'd 'lost the game' and he'd 'brought the wrong army'

[Serpent]

Gear-grinders:
- Non-player Coaches. Virtually non-existent in these parts, but whenever the issue rises, I get annoyed.
- Bad winners. There's one player who's prone to be very loud in his wishes for his opponents to roll bad. This, in my mind, is bad form indeed.
- My dice being incapable of performing on some days. (The last two games comes to mind, being utter fireworks of 1's and 2's. Except for Ld-tests. )
- Clumsy people. Yes, you're not very good with your fingers, but try to refrain from picking up my models or holding your models above mine. (I've had a few chippings because of this.)
- Players who don't know their rules, their army list or even if they're interested enough to play. In a tournament!
- Players used to the GW shop's simplified rules, but not interested in learning the real ones. (Usually because they're too lazy.)
- My brushes getting splits and fishtails. Horribly annoying.
- Highlighting SM vehicles.
- Getting caught up in the rush to win. It's not pretty when you take a look at yourself and go: "that's pathetic".

Well, that's about it.

[Astor]

- People who touch my models without asking.

- People who like to have non apocalypse games that have about 4 people in them.

- People who continue to argue over a rule even though Im pointing at the line in a rulebook which proves them wrong.

These are some of my biggest annoyances, too. The first one especially, and especially when those same people who feel they have the right to examine your miniatures complain when you do the same.

Oh, and self proclaimed 'Painting Experts', just because they've won a competition or two. I'd like to think I'm only slightly above average, but I would never go up to look at someone's army and ridicule their paintjobs and then offer 'advice'.

Players who refuse to let me look over their army list after they've looked at mine when I've offered it to them in the spirit of friendliness.

And people who deliberately take ages during their turns when the store I play at usually has a two hour time limit for games.

[Serpent]

Yes, that's another grinder. Slow players.