Scratchbuilt Eldar superheavy transport - "Pegasus"

[Evilgnome]

Show it to Forgeworld... I'd buy twenty!

[chandrila]

Show it to Forgeworld... I'd buy twenty!

Hehe, thanks - you're very kind

Once it's finished (well, assembled + undercoated at least - none of my stuff is painted yet.... ) I'll probably take it along to one of their open days just to see what they think of it

I did the same thing with my Eldar Eagle conversion (a sort of Farseer Falcon, similar to the old Epic 40K model) a couple of years back and Will Hayes seemed to like it. Of course, that was a while ago and the conversion wasn't that complicated, so he was probably just humouring me

[sea.man]

I went through your blog here and went to your web page, great builds!
I can only hope, that your paintjob will do them justice

[chandrila]

So I've stuck most of the larger parts together now, which does make it look more like a vehicle. It also makes me realise just how much I have left to do!







I've pretty much decided at this point that I'm going to ditch the wings - although the artwork I'm basing the Pegasus on features them, they're just not working in reality. It's a bit annoying as I've spent a lot of time on them, but maybe I'll find some way to incorporate the bits into this, or another, project. The Pegasus just looks so much more... "complete" and Eldar-ish without adding a few extra inches jutting out each side. What do you guys think?

Rules-wise, I'm heading towards a superheavy-Wave-Serpent feel. The weaponry is going to be fairly minimal (not least because I can't decide where to mount any significant weapons without spoiling the aesthetics - call it a minor oversight!), with the main emphasis being on survivability and rapid deployment of embarked units.

As ever; more photos on my website.

[Getz]

I actually rather like the wings.

I'd suggest getting on with the non wing-related bits while you mull it over...

[chandrila]

I actually rather like the wings.

I'd suggest getting on with the non wing-related bits while you mull it over...

Yeah, that's pretty much the conclusion I came to. Lots to do whilst I think about it....

[razormasticator]

Thats just sheer awesomeness. Its great that you found a concept sketch and went ahead and built something not yet truly fleshed out.

[eldargal]

I love it, well done! Really superb work.

[Getz]

For weapons, how about tucking a twin linked pulse laser into each wing and putting a Twin linked Shuri-Cannon in the chin position.

Modest, discrete, but still useful...

[razormasticator]

For weapons, how about tucking a twin linked pulse laser into each wing and putting a Twin linked Shuri-Cannon in the chin position.

Modest, discrete, but still useful...

Those are good suggestions, and fit the current Eldar Aesthetic and precedent.

[axiom]

Personally I'm a fan of the wings - it gives it a distinct and recognisable sillhouette, and without them I think the outline is too chunky and almost Tau-esque.

The work itself of course is very high notch and I look forward to the updates

[luchog]

I think it looks totally lame.

And by "totally lame", I mean, "way more impressive than anything I could manage, and makes me seriously envious". Subbed.

[Evilgnome]

I'm going to add my vote to keep the wings.

They help make it more than an over sized much fancier Wave Serpent.

The wings help change the silhouette to a flier too.

[Melchiah]

Glad to see you post your stuff here. I had kept an eye on your blog for awhile and love your eldar conversions. Keep up the good work.

[chandrila]

I'm going to add my vote to keep the wings.

They help make it more than an over sized much fancier Wave Serpent.

The wings help change the silhouette to a flier too.

I'm a bit torn. The thing is, I'm actually kind of aiming for "over-sized, fancier Wave Serpent" in the rules and I'm planning to make it a superheavy, fast skimmer tank (like the Scorpion and Cobra) rather than a flier because then it would be too similar to the role that the Vampire Raider fulfils (and it's too substantial to be a true Eldar flyer). A lot of the Eldar vehicles, unit types and weapons are related anyway - the Scorpion is a big Falcon, the Cobra is a big Warp Hunter, the Wraithlord is a big Wraithguard etc. etc. I guess the Storm Serpent is the "big Wave Serpent" so maybe this is a "medium" Wave Serpent in the same way that the Lynx now fits between the Scorpion and the Falcon.

The wings were always intended to be removable for transportation purposes anyway, so I could incorporate some rules for them and make them an optional upgrade in the rules. I dunno - still not sold on the aesthetics just yet.

Regarding it's bulkiness and similarity to Tau vehicles, it's a lot less tall than it appears in the photos - it's no taller than a Wave Serpent or a Scorpion, so although it's very wide it does look quite sleek and flat and hopefully Eldar-ish. I'll add a face-on photo at some point.

Two twin-linked pulse lasers and a twin-linked Shuriken cannon is possibly too much - that's better armament than the Vampire Raider, which only has 10/10/10 armour and a troop capacity of 30 but costs 730pt (). I was thinking of ~375 points for the Pegasus and a capacity of between 30 and 50, but only BS3 and a fairly minimal armament, befitting its role as a large-scale, reasonably durable troop transport. Possibly a single (counts-as-twin-linked thanks to some sophisticated sensors/targeters) heavy weapon under the nose (like the Lynx) and maybe some kind of Phoenix missile launcher analogue at most.

What do you guys think?

[eldargal]

Personally I think it would be interesting to see it as a dedicated troop carrier with minimal armament, perhaps merely two shuriken cannons. Troop capacity of 30 and assault ramps perhaps. I always pictured it as something like that whne looking at the art from the BRB.

I'd keep the wings, too.

[Evilgnome]

I'm a bit torn. The thing is, I'm actually kind of aiming for "over-sized, fancier Wave Serpent"

Booo!

Though you couldn't get much fancier than wings could you?

Everything else, rules wise etc. seems good!

[Sildani]

How about thinking a bit outside the box and considering alternative weapons? For example, vibro or d-cannon, a bank of reaper launchers (call it something else, but it would fire multiple rockets), maybe even a prism cannon. It's big enough!

And gorgeous. I wish, I wish, I wish that a 3D printer or a Chapterhouse Studios would license your design here and produce it. There's a serious lack of alternatives out there for Eldar vehicles - GW and FW are it! Wish that would change.

[Avatar of the Eldar]

And gorgeous. I wish, I wish, I wish that a 3D printer or a Chapterhouse Studios would license your design here and produce it. There's a serious lack of alternatives out there for Eldar vehicles - GW and FW are it! Wish that would change.

Yes, I heartily second this.

How about thinking a bit outside the box and considering alternative weapons? For example, vibro or d-cannon, a bank of reaper launchers (call it something else, but it would fire multiple rockets), maybe even a prism cannon. It's big enough!

I agree in principle, but not with these suggestions. Primarily because they're platform weapons, which rely on stability.

Think about function. If it's a troop transport, then think about precedents. i.e. Landing craft in WWII or Blackhawk troop carriers the modern era. That would mean infantry suppression weapons like miniguns. For me, that means Scatter Lasers - perhaps in twin linked pairs (viz Dawn of War I Eldar defense turrets) or ShuriCannon, also in pairs. Functionally, they'd be best on a remote controlled pintle, but that might screw with the sleek aesthetics. But if they're fixed straight ahead that's not real useful

I would also echo Getz's counsel in getting on with the rest of it and not using this detail as a distraction. Weapons on a vehicle like this could be optional so just think about places on the model where optional gun mounts should go.

In closing, this is just amazingly wonderful plasticard work. You're an artist.

That, and keep the wings, dammit.

Edit: Okay, I went back and studied the model. Not enough pictures of the underside to be sure, but why not a "chin mounted" dual Shuricannon or Scatter Laser like a scaled up version of the twin Shuricat under the Falcon and Prism? I'd even consider 2 pairs that could hose down the landing zone to the front while Eldar pile out the rear.

[Ace Rimmer]

I'd go with something simple like 2 twin linked shuriken catapults on the front and then maybe as sildani suggested, 2 Reaper launchers mounted by the assault ramp on the rear to soften up any targets you might be dis-embarking by?