New Ogre Rumours

[RanaldLoec]

Hmmm I have ten ogres in my warriors of chaos army, no no I won't do it I won't start another new army.

[itty_bitty_pieces]

When Ogre Kingdoms first came out in the designers notes article in white dwarf there were pictures of various concept models including a skewer-slinger which was a scrap launcher with a bolt thrower instead of a catapult, apparently it didn't make it into the book because the launcher was deemed to be cooler.

Sounds very cool! Lets hope it's in plastic this time...

[stonehorse]

Glad I bought 4 Battalions from GW last month... phew!

All seems to be very good, the addition of a save from the Gut Plate is a welcome change, and makes Iron Guts have a respectful 4+, and Bulls can also have the same if they take Light Armour and Iron Fists. This is very good!

Ogre Clubs rule sounds like a winner, and makes sense.

Leadbelchers are now going to be an auto-include, just hope that the unit cap is lifted, same goes for Iron Guts.

Yhetees, with 2 hand weapons is the way to go, Greatweapons are nice, but Yhetees are taken for their high Initiative, so no point.

Really Looking forward to this, and I hope to have my Ogres painted in time.

[itty_bitty_pieces]

If the Halfling Cookbook grants Loremaster now, do we think this means Butchers won't know all the spells as before...?

[stonehorse]

Seems that way, but we may also get access to some of the Rulebook Lores... I'm guessing Fire, and Beasts.

[Midevil216]

If the Halfling Cookbook grants Loremaster now, do we think this means Butchers won't know all the spells as before...?

Since they took that ability away from Tomb Kings I would imagine the same will be for the Ogres.

[Morkash]

Yeah, it seems pretty sure that the Ogre Magic gets overhauled completely. With the info Bill-Boe provided, there are a few augments (maybe with a powered up version for area buffs, like Lore of Light), and surely one or more damage spells.

And Ironguts ignoring Parry will be just awesome, it was weird anyways. Take the top of a garbage can and try blocking that approaching truck. good luck at that... (Mordheim solved this problem quite well, no parry versus attacks with doubled strength)

[WarmbloodedLizard]

Well here is a fun bit: my friend who owns a store was speaking to his gw rep the other day and was advised not to order ogre bulls in anticipation of new stock. So how about that?
We don't know the rep very well but it seems like a truthy thing.

because they're so bad or because there will be a new box? ^^

[Voss]

because they're so bad or because there will be a new box? ^^

Erg. If there is a new box, its like to be one of those horrid 'less models for more money' boxes, as with the orc boys.

[Vashta]

A few more rumours from over at the Stronghold:

Maneaters have massive point drop, and even more crazy weapon options. Can take a Special Character champion (Golgfag).

New Cauldron-altar rare unit for butchers, no new model.

Greasus now LD10 and completely rewritten (Stats, rules and items similar to Gorbad Ironclaw).

[Shimmergloom]

Question.

Are all references to Dogs of War removed from the new book? Or is there any rumor or idea out there that maybe some Ogre units will be available to other armies again?

I'd love to be able to put some ogre bulls or ironguts in my greenskin army again.

[Odin]

Question.

Are all references to Dogs of War removed from the new book? Or is there any rumor or idea out there that maybe some Ogre units will be available to other armies again?

I'd love to be able to put some ogre bulls or ironguts in my greenskin army again.

Likewise. the whole theme of my Empire army was supposed to be Ostermark, which is famous for having quite a lot of ogre mercenaries. Then they changed the rules so I wasn't allowed to do that. Not happy.

[Voss]

New Cauldron-altar rare unit for butchers, no new model.

Don't know why, but I read that as Cauldron-born, and was briefly intrigued, realized it made little sense for the army, then realized the word was altar.


Anyway, it should be easy enough to either canabalize Skragg's cauldron, scratch build one, or steal one from somewhere. Maybe use some of the new scraplauncher kit if its supposed to be mobile.



The ogre mercenary rule seems unlikely. GW does currently like its self-contained books.

[BrazenRogue]

Likewise. the whole theme of my Empire army was supposed to be Ostermark, which is famous for having quite a lot of ogre mercenaries. Then they changed the rules so I wasn't allowed to do that. Not happy.

If it's a big part of your armies theme, why not use the allies rules?

[GodlessM]

Well here is a fun bit: my friend who owns a store was speaking to his gw rep the other day and was advised not to order ogre bulls in anticipation of new stock. So how about that?
We don't know the rep very well but it seems like a truthy thing.

All it means is that the GW guy wants him to spend more on Bulls after they jack up the price with the new release.

If it's a big part of your armies theme, why not use the allies rules?

Because they are for team games and he would have to play as two players with two separate armies which also means spending even more money.

[itty_bitty_pieces]

Seems that way, but we may also get access to some of the Rulebook Lores... I'm guessing Fire, and Beasts.

Good point. I can see that happening too and it would be great. Fire magic for the 'Firemaster' eh?

Played a Storm of Magic game last weekend with a Truthsayer in my Ogre army. The Beasts Cataclysm spell giving +1 S and +1 T for the whole army was amazing!

I'm wondering if Ogre Bull hordes will still be effective with the new army book...

[Von Wibble]

Indeed, PK is the best 40K writer at the moment by a long stretch, but its important to note that good at writing 40K codices does not necessarily equal good at writing Fantasy ABs.

All in all things are looking very good for Fantasy at present, Cruddace did a good job with Tomb Kings (unlike the horrifically unbalanced messes that were his recent 40K projects) and Jeremy Vetock is still the undisputed King of Fantasy.

After pulling off an unexpected blinder with the BRB and SoM I'd be interested to see Matt Ward write another WFB AB, as long as it was for an army I don't collect (or care much about), he did a pretty overpowered job on Grey Knights by all accounts not to mention the anticipated fluffocaust.

I also felt that at the time the wood elf army book was very good (admittedly it has dated now thanks to edition change) - so its only deamons counting against Matt Ward.

I would also register surprise at the rumour that Ogres stay the same in points, but I do think the command group will at least go a a reasonable value, and the unit does gain more than it loses. I would be thinking closer to 30 points than 35 however.

[stonehorse]

I'm guessing that Bull Hordes will be a bit more effective in the new book, GW after all want people to buy more models. As Gut Plates are granting a 6+ save, add in light armour, Ironfist and in combat they have a 4+ save, parry, and ignore enemy parry's.

Awesome!

Bulls are going to take their rightful place I think as the best Monstrous Core Infantry in the game.

[Lord Inquisitor]

Seems that way, but we may also get access to some of the Rulebook Lores... I'm guessing Fire, and Beasts.

Those do indeed seem very plausible. That said, the Tomb Kings got Death and Light and if you look at the SOM spinner, Nekehara falls under Death and Light. Extrapolating from that, one could surmise that as Gutmagic falls under Beasts and Light, those are the Lores we can expect.

That said, Heavens also seems like a possibility as well with the whole Great-Maw-As-Comet connection. We shall see.

[Ramius4]

Bulls are going to take their rightful place I think as the best Monstrous Core Infantry in the game.

Don't you mean only Monstrous Infantry Core?

Unless you count Kroxigor/Skink units, but they're mixed.