More early marks of Power Armour and possible Heresy suppliment

[aka_mythos]

Well the one I'm surprised FW hasn't gotten around to is a Marine super heavy tank. There is more than one instance of artwork depicting them... back in the day one was even named, the Hercules, and pictured along side two variants... and there several more since then.

[DuskRaider]

Well the one I'm surprised FW hasn't gotten around to is a Marine super heavy tank. There is more than one instance of artwork depicting them... back in the day one was even named, the Hercules, and pictured along side two variants... and there several more since then.

From what I recall, they only really had Stormblades, which are just the predecessor of the Baneblade. Space Marines are meant to be surgical assault teams, they would be weighed down by super heavy tanks and whatnot.

[dienekes96]

Marines did get the Caestus Assault Ram. Not quite a tank, but I feel the Marines should be more strike infantry than mechanized.

[aka_mythos]

From what I recall, they only really had Stormblades, which are just the predecessor of the Baneblade. Space Marines are meant to be surgical assault teams, they would be weighed down by super heavy tanks and whatnot.

The fact that FW said in their seminar they're now considering something in the vein of a marine super heavy tank, when asked I think is a sign of the inevitability. So now its time to stop worrying and learn to love the... space marine.

Well in the front pages of one of the Rogue Trader era books, Astronomicon I think, there is a two page spread of Loyalist marines fighting chaos marines... on the left a stormblade and a fellblade and on the right a land raider and three distinctly ultramarine tanks heavier than the land raider. All three are roughly the same chassis; I would say similar to the Macharius in length and a Land Raider in width. Off the top of my head one has 6 lascannons and bunker looking dome... another has a dome shaped turret with a large cannon and two twin-linked lascannons, and the last is 50% obscured by the Land Raider but has some sort of large inferno cannon looking weapon. In another use of the artwork the command domish looking one is named the Hercules.

In terms of the ability of Space Marines deploying super heavies... consider the fact that a thunderhawk vehicle transport variant when carrying a Land Raider still has 20% of it outboard cargo space available. That a Macharius, a super heavy with 2 structure points is only about 20% larger by foot print and about the same by volume. Throw in some Great Crusade era armor tech and you have what could be reasonably defined by fluff as the maximum sized vehicle a Thunderhawk Transporter can carry. It not too much of a stretch when the model sizes mesh as they do.

I'm not saying FW needs to do things this way just that there is enough of starting point so as to avoid stepping on too much of whats been established.

[johnnyrumour]

I won't be surprised either... the whole Badab War was instigated by GW to stymie the efforts of third party offerings.

Erm, no it wasn't.

[aka_mythos]

Erm, no it wasn't.

Oh okay then. Then I'm just not surprised.

[exsanguis]

Don't forget the Legions of the Great Crusade were very different organisms to the Chapters we have now. They weren't surgical strike forces, they were a galaxy conquering army. Hardly surprising that they're toting super heavies back then.

[Tay051173096]

Oh okay then. Then I'm just not surprised.

It was just really really good timeing

I would be very surprised if FW didn't do some terminator types.

If the Iron-Warriors did not have a supper heavy around for sieges.

[eldargal]

Just noticed this on the FW Facebook page:

Ultimately it's going to be some time before we even start to tentatively look at the Heresy, and many thing may change between now and then.

So, not imminent.

[baphomael]

I'll be very surprised if we don't see some form of conversion kit for a Mk. I rhino chassis at some point from Forgeworld

That would be quite feasible as well, much like the extra armour packs. There are already DIY templates for plasticard floating armound, so something similar in resin shouldnt be too difficult. Plus, chapterhouse shows us it can be done.

I'd probably get some, if it didn't mean buying outside the EU and risking some tax and customs butthurt.

[TheConverter15]

Hmm, I would probably place the supposed Heresy Book at late 2013, maybe

[aka_mythos]

That would be quite feasible as well, much like the extra armour packs. There are already DIY templates for plasticard floating armound, so something similar in resin shouldnt be too difficult. Plus, chapterhouse shows us it can be done.

I'm more inclined to believe FW would want to do it as a whole new kit, if at all. They might not be able to do it that way and choose the extra armor as the economical route... but simply the detail they could bring to a complete new Mk1 rhino would be pretty amazing.

[SamaNagol]

I am absolutely astounded no-one, FW mainly, has made a Las/Plas turret for the Razorback. Seeing as they have the useless Multi Melta turret there....

[aka_mythos]

Agreed, las-plas is really some low hanging fruit... they have the twin lascanon variant... I can't imagine replacing one weapon pod would be too difficult. That makes me imagine it maybe a decision handed down by GW to FW not to make it.

[MajorWesJanson]

Agreed, las-plas is really some low hanging fruit... they have the twin lascanon variant... I can't imagine replacing one weapon pod would be too difficult. That makes me imagine it maybe a decision handed down by GW to FW not to make it.

Given the rather sparse sprue the razorback currently has, I can see a plastic release of a Razorback with a new sprue that merges the Hatch/Crew sprue (Land Raider Hatch Sprue C as I recall from the old bitz system) with the Razorback sprue. Densify it a little, and add options for twin plasma (one or both sides) Twin Assault Cannons (boost sales) and Twin Heavy Flamers (no current model for them) maybe remove the hedge cutter and rope to make room.

[Brother Garrod]

just use these for razorbacks if you're desperate ;p

http://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=42

[Sildani]

You see, that kind of depresses me. If you want an alternative to an IG or Marine tank, there's a multitude of companies helping you out. If you're looking for Eldar alternatives, well, you're out of luck, since it seems no one can be bothered to try.

Whatever happened to the Scorpion Championess, anyway?

[grayburst]

I think any good Pre-Heresy Legion source would have to involve good solid rules for combining Imperial Army and Space Marines into one force. I'd like to see army list designed with that in mind and vehicle patterns taking that into consideration.

[philbrad2]

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[aka_mythos]

I think any good Pre-Heresy Legion source would have to involve good solid rules for combining Imperial Army and Space Marines into one force. I'd like to see army list designed with that in mind and vehicle patterns taking that into consideration.

I think a Pre-Heresy book would tend to be a more free form list. The structure of the imperial militaries at the time was more flexible and allowed forces to vary more drastically between battles. Even the distinction of tactical/assault/devastator squads was a less structured aspect to the organization... with squads seemingly able to reequip according to the missions need. It seems it was largely the scarcity of resources that forced specialization. Forces like the Imperial Army and Adeptus Mechanicus would likely fit in as auxilliaries and just free for any particular force to get access to.