Monstrous Arcana

[Deaf Paradox]

That's not true. I don't remember hearing Rick ever mentioning that at all and he has been very open about what happened.

IMHO 4 books about Chaos Power vs Whatever in a row would be massively dull. I'm very glad that FW/WF took the same viewpoint.

It wasn't FW/WF decision to can it, GWS had a tantrum because they were afraid of putting a halfing in charge of The Empire. GWS originally gave Rick free reign at the start of the project, but things took a turn for the worst and it been rumoured that Rick left due to creative differences. It was all in the Tamurkhan The Throne of Chaos rumour thread that has been sent to the warp.

Besides each of the different Chaos God books would have them battling different races across the Warhammer World. So all of them would have eventually had some FW treatment, it's a shame because the whole thing sounded really epic in scale.

[Stephanavich]

Not sure what TK have in common with Lizardmen unless you mean Skaven vs. Lizards

Lizardmen live in the Southlands as well as Lustria ya know

Actually, I believe that geographically, the Lizardmen take up the most area of land in the Old World (so not including Chaos and their extra dimension), and yet the treatment they get is nearly the worst (after Brets and Woodies). I'd love to see some humongous dinosaurs made by Forge World. Maybe a Coatl or something?

[redfury]

I agree. There isn't that much empire things on fw and theres way too many chaos things. I'm not even counting chaos dwarfs. The concept of FW has a ton of potential in every fantasy army, I'm thinking lizardmen,vamps and dwarfs specifically right now. But what does FW release? A bunch of identical tanks and giant mutant chaos things with horrible rules. The only army I can honestly say they're doing right is Skaven.

[Stephanavich]

Be fair though guys; the reason that there is so much Chaos stuff is that it goes for 40k too. And they did just release a book called "Tamurkhan: Throne of Chaos". I just want to see what they'd do with Slaanesh; go back to it's Boobs + BDSM beginning, or carry on with GW's Lady Gaga hermaphrodite and "pleasure that isn't sex" deal. I would have liked the continuation of the Throne of Chaos series. I heard there was a Lizardmen v Dark Elves v Tzeentch thing going on. Sounds good to me!

Most of all, I want FW to do seriously support the Contingents if GW doesn't. I understand that GW probably doesn't want to add a bunch more armies to it's already complex and vast game, nor waste time, resources and potentially money on a venture that might not go so well. But FW caters for people who want awesome looking figures and don't seem to "need" the millions of sales. And I wouldn't trust GW to try Kislev NOW, they'd probably have an Arachnarok-sized polar bear with a freaking howdah. Forge World would do a Chaos Mammoth-sized Narwhal. Narwhal > Polar Bear.

Warhammer Legends. Hmmm... mysterious. I'd have given that title to a series of books recreating historical battles of the Old World's rich but deadly past. Not a bestiary. Hopefully they will quickly correct this by releasing some more books pretty damn soon!

[CaliforniaGamer]

Even as a Chaosy player I would rather see non-human/non-Chaos FW model lines.

Dino-line would great. You could have Dino-Lizmen, Dino-WoC, Dino-Tomb Kings etc.

[Morkash]

That's one good thing about Warseer. Feeling depressed? Just read a few posts, you will swiftly see that there are people with more serious problems.

[Dominatrix]

That was the original idea, yes, but not the point I was responding to, which was that Tzeentch/Slaanesh/Khorne should get the same coverage as Nurgle. The funny thing about conversations is it really helps if you read them in context, instead of jumping on single words and phrases.

Rewriting the Warhammer World setting is even more silly, by the way, and I can completely understand why they didn't go for that, too.It's bad enough now with people asking if Forge World stuff is "official" (whatever that even means) without making every model/unit they create only valid in a an alternate Warhammer bizarro-world where everyone is dead. And if you really think it's only possible to make cool stuff for Chaos and the only thing that could possibly appear in a Bretonnian army is a knight... well, let's just be grateful that the Warhammer Forge guys have more of an imagination than you.

Might want to take that piece of advice you offered and use it yourself. Who said anything about rewriting the setting? Advancing is not the same as rewriting. Besides regardless of the "fluff wrapping", would it be that hard to label something "official" if they wanted to do it? And even if it isn't official (so not allowed in tournaments) what's stopping people from using it at their local store when playing against friends? Continuing on I didn't say cool stuff is only possible for chaos, just that chaos has limitless potential whereas whether you like it or not other armies are more limited. Simple? And unless you work for FW and know of any bretonnian models in development, it remains to be seen how much imagination the WF guys have compared to mine. It does pay to read in context and not jump on words and phrases..

[redfury]

FW should make more giant mutated chaos beasts and identical looking tanks and mechs. I don't think they have enough of those yet. But seriously, I'm happy about the whole skaven situation, they have a good amount of stuff and its mostly affordable.

[the Witch kings regent]

lizards are south of the dark elves. bretonia is north of khemri. warhammer world geography is based roughly off of earth. and lizards are from south america. and americans are the dark elves. And in the back ground dark elves are despised by the lizards because we steal all thier gold (even when they foget about it) and open up thier closed chaos doors for Sh*ts and Giggles.

[Daigar]

lizards are south of the dark elves. bretonia is north of khemri. warhammer world geography is based roughly off of earth. and lizards are from south america. and americans are the dark elves. And in the back ground dark elves are despised by the lizards because we steal all thier gold (even when they foget about it) and open up thier closed chaos doors for Sh*ts and Giggles.

Lizardmen also live in the jungles of not-africa, but they're more primitive and feral than Lustrian lizardmen.

[Spider-pope]

lizards are south of the dark elves. bretonia is north of khemri. warhammer world geography is based roughly off of earth. and lizards are from south america. and americans are the dark elves. And in the back ground dark elves are despised by the lizards because we steal all thier gold (even when they foget about it) and open up thier closed chaos doors for Sh*ts and Giggles.

And like the real world, the South America and Africa analogues were once connected and had the same species living on them. Lizardmen are in the jungles of the Southlands, beneath Khemri as well as Lustria.

[redfury]

Southland lizardmen are not the same. They're said to have an alliance with men from the southlands(Africans),be more primitive and I'd imagine their dinosaurs are different too.

Four books of chaos gods is a bit excessive. Why not have one for every skaven clan,empire state or vampire bloodline? I mean they already have a bunch of tranny dominatrices,bloated diseased jabba the huts,angry red guys and....well tzeechy things on gw. There's a certain point where large mutated monsters stop being unique

[Mr_Rose]

Don't see how Southlands lizards are more primitive; they have the complete set of Plaques because none of the conquistador-analogues have made it past the jungles or their allies/buffer states. The Western Lizards might consider them to be backwards but then they don't actually know because the creation of the world pond severed the leylines and cut them off from easy communication.

[redfury]

Aztecs were more advanced than African tribes. Thats probably why theyre said to be primative. I imagine the reason they don't say much about these Africans is because savage orcs play that roll more or less. Just like norsca, why have a human Viking army when you have dwarfs and chaos, both being quite Vikingy.

[angelofrage]

Don't see how Southlands lizards are more primitive; they have the complete set of Plaques because none of the conquistador-analogues have made it past the jungles or their allies/buffer states. The Western Lizards might consider them to be backwards but then they don't actually know because the creation of the world pond severed the leylines and cut them off from easy communication.

I can't remember seeing that Southlands Lizardmen are more primitive either, just that they have reduced spawnings of saurus so skinks tend to dominate.

However I think there is mention of primitive/feral Lizardmen on the Dragon Isles, off the cost of the Darklands.

[Silvertongue]

they already have a bunch of tranny dominatrices

I am going to go out on a limb and say you mean Slaanesh-related miniatures. If this is indeed what you mean, I think you should take a look at the FW page, and count how many Slaaneshi minis are there. I think you'll find that "a heap" is not the adequate term to describe the quantity.

[redfury]

I said on GW. They don't have many twzeech either. My point is other armies need attention.

[johnnyrumour]

It wasn't FW/WF decision to can it, GWS had a tantrum because they were afraid of putting a halfing in charge of The Empire. GWS originally gave Rick free reign at the start of the project, but things took a turn for the worst and it been rumoured that Rick left due to creative differences. It was all in the Tamurkhan The Throne of Chaos rumour thread that has been sent to the warp.

The GW Studio (which is what I assume you mean by GWS) doesn't have creative control over what Forge World do. To be fair, trashing the main armies of the Warhammer World and then still trying to sell stuff for those armies would have been an odd decision so frankly it's a sensible thing that the original plan was changed. And 'rumoured' is exactly right. Rick has given interviews in various places and he hasn't said anything to that effect at all

Seeing a chaos lord on the cover just makes me want to punch myself in the penis.

So it was a bad decision to release their first book, launching a whole new brand, with the two most popular armies?

FW should make more giant mutated chaos beasts and identical looking tanks and mechs. I don't think they have enough of those yet. But seriously, I'm happy about the whole skaven situation, they have a good amount of stuff and its mostly affordable.

Maybe it's a case that obvious troll is obvious.

[Deaf Paradox]

The GW Studio (which is what I assume you mean by GWS) doesn't have creative control over what Forge World do. To be fair, trashing the main armies of the Warhammer World and then still trying to sell stuff for those armies would have been an odd decision so frankly it's a sensible thing that the original plan was changed. And 'rumoured' is exactly right. Rick has given interviews in various places and he hasn't said anything to that effect [i] at all

GWS is Gamesworkshop for me, just a bad habit of mine I guess because I know everyone uses GW.

I didn't say creative control and I can't quote what I'm mentioning because it was said by a number of people in a thread that got deleted once it was no longer rumours.

Is it me or does the Dragon on the front of the book, look similar to the DE Black Dragon? Wondering if we are getting another dragon with a Chaos Lord based on that picture.

[Morkash]

As I said, this should be Orhbal Vipergut, a Warlord of Nurgle on Chaos Dragon. I'm not 100% sure since my Tamurkhan copy is behind 2 feet of bullet proof glass (... or maybe just out of reach) but I think it mentions that Orhbal's dragon only has one head. (similar to the Chaos Dragon who guarded the Eye of Sheerian - It had 3 heads) Do not forget that this is Chaos, Chaos Dragons can take a multitude of shapes and forms...just look at the Toad Dragon.

Not sure if he gets his own miniature - Basically not needed and if GW really releases its own Chaos Lord on Dragon (see WoC rumours) not likely either. That doesn't mean that I would dislike it, quite the opposite... I think it is just unlikely.