On the striking power oath and honour, it says that a dwarf unit can make a march or charge. Does the charge work like it did in 7th edition (6" charge) or is it the 8th edition one (3"+2d6). Thanks guys
On the striking power oath and honour, it says that a dwarf unit can make a march or charge. Does the charge work like it did in 7th edition (6" charge) or is it the 8th edition one (3"+2d6). Thanks guys
8th edition. Charging is defined in the main book, so it can change from edition to edition. Plus the dwarf book is from 6th edition.
Wow, I guess I have been playing it incorrectly this entire time.Originally Posted by eron12
I was under the impression that it worked similar to VHD for VC. At least that was how all my opponents played it.
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The rulebook says, "may make a normal move (which may be a march or a charge) in the shooting phase." It doesn't say what a charge is, so one would have to look at what a charge is in the rulebook.
I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think your opponents have been playing it wrong.
It's a regular 8th edition charge.
Besides, how would someone who started playing in 8th edition ever, ever, ever figure out that it'd work like a 7th edition charge?
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Or even a 6th edition one...
Yeah fair enough guys thanks for the debated answer which is 3+2d6 charge range XD. On that note Thorek Ironbrow is epic, having tried him out today with these rules.
He got nerfed in a FAQ I believe so he only allows one re roll but I'm not 100% sure
Still he is quite good I generally don't like playing against him becUse I dislike 3 units not
Moving
On a side, but related topic, does this "free" move in the shooting phase bypass the normal rules for charges? ie can a player that has gone first and scouted a unit, use the rune of oath and honor to issue a charge in his first turn?
from the FAQ no, if you scouted you can't charge
Where is this FAQ?
I agree that they couldn't charge on turn 1, but my friend playing dwarfs thinks otherwise.. charging my flank with 40 longbeards on turn 1, just great!
BRB pg 79 states if you scout you can not charge the 1st turn if there side goes 1st.
BRB FAQ pg 7, last Question.
Q: Units that are deployed as Scouts or make a Vanguard move
are not allowed to charge if they get the first turn. Does this also stop
them from charging in the Magic phase? (p79)
A: Yes.
Yes the anvil is in the shooting phase, but the intent is clear. The going 1st also stops OnG Vanguarding and anomsity charge.
OnG FAQ pg 1, 3rd question
Q: Can a unit that has made a Vanguard move be forced to declare a
charge on the first turn of a game by getting a Squabble or We’ll
Show ‘Em result on the Animosity table? (p32)
A: No. As it made a Vanguard move it is not able to charge.
Last edited by Artiee; 22-05-2012 at 16:30.
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yeah, but he argues since it's in the shooting phase, that FAQ doesn't apply.
Also, since the rune says they are allowed a normal move (which can be a charge or march) he claims it can charge as normal. While I say that since a unit is allowed a normal move, it cannot charge since a normal charge with scouts on turn one is not allowed, when they get to go first.
I was editing my post when you posted.
Yes the anvil is in the shooting phase, but the intent is clear. The going 1st also stops OnG Vanguarding and anomsity charge.
OnG FAQ pg 1, 3rd question
Q: Can a unit that has made a Vanguard move be forced to declare a
charge on the first turn of a game by getting a Squabble or We’ll
Show ‘Em result on the Animosity table? (p32)
A: No. As it made a Vanguard move it is not able to charge.
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You are correct, he is a rules lawyer looking for advantage, good luck convincing him of that though. As has been stated above it is very clear that this is not an intended consequence of any special abilities which allow out of normal sequence charging to occur.
To paraphrase Harry: 8th edition and Storm of Magic - BRING IT ON!
I've told him all this already but he's really not letting go.
Oh well, thanks guys
How about this: The Anvil will grant the unit a move (which may be a charge), but does not specify that it overrules any movement restrictions on the unit. If we are to assume that this lets the unit make charge moves even when restricted from doing so, we must first assume that movement restriction in general do not apply. This would allow for crazy stuff like units marching out of close combat, fleeing units turning about-face without rallying, cats and dogs living together!
It shouldn't be necessary to go down that road, though. It is unfair to assume that the Anvil in granting a normal out-of-sequence move must also list all possible exceptions that would apply to a regular move.
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makes sense, he agreed not to do the thing again, though he thinks there are as many arguments for as there are against
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