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    Vampire Counts

    A summary of the rumours we had:

    - VC are next army book to be released in January,
    - New unit flesh golems? - something like a mix of large ghoul and zombie ... with something no monsterous infantry has had before ...wings! Dual kit Monsterous infantry ... Ogre size undead monstrocities (can't be more specific) and monsterous flyers.
    - New plastic black coach mini ... Dual kit makes two 'war machines' ... big ethereal warmachines ... neither is a Black coach. One is acalled a Coven Throne the other is a Mortis Engine. Coven Throne ... 'Lamian passion wagon' ... Mortis Engine ... 'ethereal alter type thing with added ghosts'. (It runs on undeaded. )
    - Current Black coach stays and goes finecast.
    - Dual cavalry kit wraith riders? and something else ... Black knights and something else?
    - New krell,
    - New female vampires (Riders on Coven throne and Isabella von Carstein).
    - Hints of army book cover ... Dark red of Vampire/Bluegreen tint of etherealness in background.

    My understanding is the book has five new units + Lords/Heroes.
    That is alot of exciting new options/builds.
    Includes four different 'chariot/warmachine' options.

    What we know now:

    Army Book written by Phil Kelly

    Release in January. On sale from the 14th January (advanced orders for the 7th January)

    Release includes:
    New army book (96 pages)
    Magic cards

    New minis will be:
    Plastic Kits:
    Coven Throne/Mortis engine (Dual kit)
    Black Knights/Hex Wraiths (Dual kit)
    Vargheists/Crypt Horrors (Dual kit)
    Plastic characters
    Wight King
    Finecast Characters:
    Krell
    Isabella von Carstein

    Prices will be:

    £36 for the Coven Throne/Mortis Engine,
    £18.50 for five Black Knights/Hex Wraiths
    £3.25 for the magic cards
    £25 for the army book
    £25-27? (37 Euros) for the big ghouls/ flying things.
    £8 for Wight King
    £10.50 (15 Euros) for Krell in Finecast
    £9? (12.5 Euros) for Isabella von Carstein

    lbecks did the maths for US prices it looks like it will be:

    Engine/Throne $57.75
    Cavalry $29.00
    Big Ghouls/Mini Vargs ~$45?
    Wight King $13.25
    Krell $18.25
    Isabella $15


    Some rules picked up from White Dwarf. (Thanks again to ZAlpha)

    Rules tidbits:

    All Vampire has rule called "Hunger" - You get to roll a D6 when the vampire kills one or more models in combat, on a 6 you recovers one wound. (Vlad with Blood Drinker pass the roll on 4+)

    Also Vampire, including vampiric creatures "such as" Varghulf and Vargheist, can march. So Vargheist will be able to move 20" per turn almost all the time. (not sure if Varghulf can also fly)

    Vampiric Powers: (not all of them, just those mentioned in WD)
    Flying Horror - give the vampire ability to fly (unsure)
    Dread Knight - ability to boost WS (don't know how - but a Vampire Llord with Dread Knight has WS of 9)
    Quickblood - gains ASF
    Master of the Black Arts - get to re-roll one D6 for the Winds of Magic.
    Dark Acolyte - add D3 to the total number of models raised by Nehek.
    Red Fury - should be about the same. (unsure)

    New units:

    Coven Throne
    - Basically a chariot mount for your Lord.
    - Is a Large target with S5 T5 5W and 5+ save.
    - has Spectral Steed rules (can move 8"), Undead, Vampiric, ASF (only for Handmaiden who has 2 S5 Attacks)
    - has Random Attacks (2D6) at S3 from the spirit horde.
    - Has Ward Save of 4+
    - Battle of Wills (before the first enemy rolls to hit against the character or the Throne, both player roll a D6 and add their LD value. Has effects based on the difference of the score)
    * no effect (0 or less)
    * suffer -1WS/BS
    * the enemy must re-roll successful To Hits
    * each model in the enemy unit strike each other (only 1 attack per model)
    - Has Bound Spell (lvl3) allowing the Throne (and all of its crew) to re-roll either To Hit or To Wound rolls.

    Mortis Engine
    - Is a Rare Choice
    - Same stats as for the Throne (S5 T5 W5 Sv5+)
    - has 2D6 attacks at S3 from the spirit horde
    - Undead, Terror, Spectral Steed, and Regeneration
    - can make Ghostly Howl attack.
    - can take upgrade, allowing any wizards casting spell from the Lore of the Vampires to get +2 to their casting attempt. (ANY) miscast wizards rolls twice on the table and have the opponent choose the result)
    - The Reliquary (at the start of your turn, roll 2D6 and add the current turn number - until the start of its next turn, all friendly Undead units within this number of range gains +1 bonus to their Regeneration, 6+ if they don't have any, to a maximum of 4+. Also, all enemy units within this range suffers D6 hits at the strength equal to the turn number.

    - Also has some penalties if removed from play - by damaging every units within a random range at the strength equal to the current turn number)


    Master Necromancer
    - New Lord choice (ie. better Necromancer)

    - Banshees and Cairn Wraith are now Hero

    Hexwraiths (special)
    - Fast Cavalry with Ethereal (yes!) that can inflict automatic S5 hits on unit that it moved through.

    Vargheist (special)
    - Flying Monstrous Infantry that has Fly, Frenzy, and 3A.

    Crypt Horrors (special)
    - Monstrous Infantry unit with M6 S4 T5 I2 W3 A3, has Poisoned Attacks, Regeneration 5+, and Undead

    I think that's all I've seen in the WD...

    BTW, Heinrich Kemmler is back in finecast (and in the book) for sure. But on the original sculpt, no new miniature for him. (at least for now)

    Seeing lots of people wondering if the Bloodline is back in the book.
    Honestly, I'm not sure as it's not specifically mentioned rule-wise.


    and finally we have some pictures.

    Thanks to ZAlpha

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    Re: Vampire Counts

    Thanks Harry.

    All very interesting.

    Seem's like only yesterday the last book came out. Trying to cash in on the next twighlight movie buzz??
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    Re: Vampire Counts

    ... and Vampire diaries is back next week.
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    Re: Vampire Counts

    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Guy Sam View Post
    Trying to cash in on the next twighlight movie buzz??
    So you think its a scheme to bring more girls into the hobby?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Guy Sam View Post
    Seem's like only yesterday the last book came out. Trying to cash in on the next twighlight movie buzz??
    Because everyone knows the warhammer fantasy and twilight fanbases overlap profusely, I can't get games in these days without fighting away young ladies intent on fawning over my strigois magnificent form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gekiganger View Post
    Because everyone knows the warhammer fantasy and twilight fanbases overlap profusely, I can't get games in these days without fighting away young ladies intent on fawning over my strigois magnificent form.
    You obviously can't be talking about the old GW Strigoi minis.
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    Re: Vampire Counts

    I look forward to seeing the female Vampire models. Give me the option to have a good, female general and I might even start a VC army. If they also make skellingtons worth taking as I don't like ghouls and zombies.

    I can't imagine Twilight played much of a role in GWs thinking about VC. I'd imagine GW wants to shore up the better selling WFB armies before moving onto some of the others like Wood Elves and Bretonnians.


    I truly hope not, as much as I would like to see GW acknowledge the small but growing number of female players (new SoB models , more female High Elves and Craftworld Eldar, IG, Empire etc.) having a bunch of effeminate, godawful pretty-boy vampires is NOT something I want to see in WFB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Surrender View Post
    So you think its a scheme to bring more girls into the hobby?
    Or impeccably groomed and fashionably sensitive men?
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    Re: Vampire Counts

    thx for the input harry

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    Oh, yes, thanks for rumour(fact like) summary. Very exciting news, indeed. I have played VC longer and more continuously than even my NG, so cannot wait for 8e treatment for them.
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    Re: Vampire Counts

    Take the twilight talk to the other wasted thread!

    (Riders confirmed by Harry but not "black knights")
    This is more interesting.

    I am hoping its not bat riders, that would just be a bit much (skeleton snake riders for example...) to my tastes anyway. I also have a 2k hellion army, and my desire to see any flying bases is limited at this point.

    Something like the Ring Wraiths/Mounted Cairn Wraiths wouldnt go amiss, all flowing cloak and such, could be done REALLY well in Finecast or the layered plastic approach they are taking these days. And would fit with my Mournful Knights...
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    Re: Vampire Counts

    Perhaps I'm getting the wrong vibe here completely but is anyone else getting ridden monstrous infantry? Struggling to think what else the terrorgheist has that they could have other than a banshee style attack which would seem a bit odd and that other MI don't already have. Then Harrys cryptic 'riders' reference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Originally Posted by ihavetoomuchminis
    About the Monstruous infantry unit, i've been told that they are more of Big ghouls than big zombies. Oh, and the models can have something no MI in the game have yet..... maybe something like the terrorgheist, but smaller?

    Also, we do get riders ... but they are not straight replacement for the black knights either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    The 'black coach kit' is not a straight replacement (like say the steam tank was for the Empire) and it is a dual kit..Also, we do get riders ... but they are not straight replacement for the black knights either.

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    From the second sentence, we get a kit that can build Black Knights and something else. New riders?
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    Re: Vampire Counts

    Thanks Harry, you make me very excited....hm, that sounds wrong.


    Always good to see rumours on new units; these riders. Although I do hope they make the ones we have (black knights) worth taking before they throw in another fancy new unit.

    @ Valaraukar: I think the reference about a 'small terrorgheist' with the MI unit is for the Flesh Golems and not for the riders.


    Imagine skeletons on bats...they would have to be even worse than Terradons ;D Guess bats + riders would make sense if they want to replace the flying piggies we have now (I'm quite fond of them actually).
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    Re: Vampire Counts

    Thanks for the roundup Harry and Huan Qu'itts.

    Harry, can you confirm these riders are not surfers?
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    Cheers Harry! [Just posted on the old thread as I had assumed there would be nothing in the rumours section!].
    All sounding very good- the only thing that slightly disturbs me is the comment about Black Knights- I take it this means riders on some sort of undead construct. I was really hoping for undead knights to match the graveguard.
    The Flesh Golems sound ace, as does the black coach- really seems like the visual look of the VC army will get a lot more variety and depth- excellent stuff.
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    This thread made my day. Seriously. Thank you Harry!

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    Re: Vampire Counts

    Well Tomb Kings got Skellies riding Giant Stone Snakes, maybe Vampires will get Skellies riding Giant Bats like a Lizardmen Terradon Rider.

    Edit... Missed what SteelTitan said above, but yeah what he said lol or maybe Vampires will get some Zombie horses ridden by something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deaf Paradox View Post
    Well Tomb Kings got Skellies riding Giant Stone Snakes, maybe Vampires will get Skellies riding Giant Bats like a Lizardmen Terradon Rider.
    The original carrion models had this, but with mini wraith riders... initially I did think this is a bad idea- but I was thinking of old style skellies perched on feel bats- new sculpts in line with the current range could be pretty amazing.
    I'd still like undead knights though..
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverstu View Post
    The original carrion models had this, but with mini wraith riders... initially I did think this is a bad idea- but I was thinking of old style skellies perched on feel bats- new sculpts in line with the current range could be pretty amazing.
    I'd still like undead knights though..
    Its all down to the pose imo, if they can pull the pose off then Skeletons riding Bats would look brilliant.

    In my head I have the idea that they are perched like the Strigoi on the Terrorgheist, one hand holding onto the mane and the other holding a weapon.
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