Black Templars rumours

[KarlPedder]

At the end of the article it says "It would be many years before the Black Templars had their revenge, but that, as they say, is a story for another time..."

Really as the sales blurb for the WD says that it's multi part campaign so I took this to mean that it would be a series of articles over multiple issues.

[kahohess]

Could it be Horses? or Cyborg Horses. Or Robo Horses.
Just thinking about how one would emphasize the crusade aspect of the BT's.

The "Crusade aspect" of the BT's comes from the first Crusade; so if their's something to emphasize it's the pre-heresy aspects and not the medival ones.

So, no pre-heresy marines on horses means no BTs on horses, that's all !

[Pa1adin111]

Original post updated.

[Mr. Ultra]

Thanks for your effort Pa1adin111, very much appreciated.

[Pa1adin111]

The "Crusade aspect" of the BT's comes from the first Crusade; so if their's something to emphasize it's the pre-heresy aspects and not the medival ones.

So, no pre-heresy marines on horses means no BTs on horses, that's all !

Actually the Black Templars draw most of their design inspiration from the medieval Knights Templar, as well as some from the Knights Hospitaller and the Teutonic Knights, So to say that the crusade aspect of the BT's is "only" in reference to the Great Crusade is not really accurate. Granted they have been described as being much more akin to the crusade era legions than to the 41st millennium chapters, but the medieval crusade influence on all aspects of the design of the BT's is quite unmistakable.

[Pa1adin111]

Thanks for your effort Pa1adin111, very much appreciated.

My pleasure! Glad we're still getting new rumors. (thank you Ghost!)

[Pyriel]

the crusade aspect has to do with:
a) the way a crusade is formed. like the medieval crusades, the crusade is declared, then the templars wishing to partake assemble. hence the "no actual units" aspect of BT.
b) the way neophytes are trained. instead of "knight and assistant squire" we have "initiate and assistant neophyte".
c) the templars' liking for swords in the fluff.
d) the templars' blind zeal. (in tvtropes, "knight templar" means one who is supposed to be good and wants to be good but his fanaticism sometimes makes him worse than the bad guys he is fighting)

clibinarii immortals were cavalrymen. cataphractarii were cavalrymen. praetoreans were cavalrymen. these ppl were characterised by being powerful cavalry units, and ALWAYS fought on horseback. if a siege happened or other terrain blocked cavalry use, they were NOT USED (like immortals being, ina ctual history, the finest cavalry of their time but never being used in marathon or plataies due to terrain)

but while Templars were cavalrymen, hey never minded dismounting to participate in, say, a siege; fighting a Templar climbing a ladder in a siege was suicide as they were also skilled swordsmen, just prefered to use horses for mobility.

mounted knights shouldnt characterize templars. zeal(in whatever form), equality (like in the no-sergeants thing), swordsmanship (cc focus), relationship between initiate/neophyte, and support by trebuchet-like siege weapons (maybe vindicators or other blast-oriented weapons). these are what characterizes a templar.

[Pa1adin111]

relic dreadnaughts, like a mobile requiary bearer... is what i had heard

This sounds really cool. I'm really looking forward to seeing the new sculpts!

[kahohess]

Actually the Black Templars draw most of their design inspiration from the medieval Knights Templar, as well as some from the Knights Hospitaller and the Teutonic Knights, So to say that the crusade aspect of the BT's is "only" in reference to the Great Crusade is not really accurate. Granted they have been described as being much more akin to the crusade era legions than to the 41st millennium chapters, but the medieval crusade influence on all aspects of the design of the BT's is quite unmistakable.

Well, sorry, i didn't mean to sound like the great crusade was the only inspiration for the BTs, but to me the idea of horses was clearly pushing the graphical source too far into the global background.

Now what may sound more "cavalry" without searching too far will be to grant BTs the ability to charge from drop pods the round it comes into play.

[Pyriel]

even better, and more balanced imho, is make BT rhinos "assault vehicles", albeit not at 35 pts ofcourse.

[EpicWarGamer]

even better, and more balanced imho, is make BT rhinos "assault vehicles", albeit not at 35 pts ofcourse.

I hate to be wishlisting on here as well, but to do that (which would be awesome) they would need a front exit hatch... a cool modification if I do not say so myself!

[bobafett_h]

Black Templars with pre-heresy looking armour wouldn't make sense at all. The BTs are a second founding chapter of the Imperial Fists so weren't around before the heresy just in case anyone forgot...

They should look like knights (hopefully more medieval looking than Grey Knights) and even holy (almost like Battle Sisters) while mainting a very loyal gothic Space Marine style. Need more chains and iconography...

[Nazguire]

Black Templars with pre-heresy looking armour wouldn't make sense at all. The BTs are a second founding chapter of the Imperial Fists so weren't around before the heresy just in case anyone forgot...

They should look like knights (hopefully more medieval looking than Grey Knights) and even holy (almost like Battle Sisters) while mainting a very loyal gothic Space Marine style. Need more chains and iconography...

They were formed not long after the Heresy by Sigismund, and pre-Heresy suits of armour were still widely available.

[StratManKudzu]

Furthermore, I'm sure there are more than a few Templars who used to wear yellow.

[Erazmus_M_Wattle]

Yes, I agree. They were around before the heresy. They were just called Imperial Fists at the time. The most zealous Fists were split off with Sigismund to form the Black Templars. They were already in existence.

[Nemesis197]

Do we know if the sword brethren sprues are terminator or both?

[Brotheroracle]

Yes, I agree. They were around before the heresy. They were just called Imperial Fists at the time. The most zealous Fists were split off with Sigismund to form the Black Templars. They were already in existence.

Fact. Hell for the most part all of the second founding chapters were there during the heresy in this fashion.

[Ba'al Starslayer]

Furthermore, I'm sure there are more than a few Templars who used to wear yellow.

While I agree Templars would have older suits of armour, I wouldn't go as far to state this. The whole "surviving 10,000 years" is only for Chaos Champions with their blessings from the Gods and the time-warping effects of, well, The Warp.

[Guyver 3]

[QUOTE=Mirbeau;5916601]Not as big! But more bizarre! (unless you play fantasy...). That's most of what I know about it. Speculating from that - big buffing thing with a howdah ?!

Smaller than a thunder hawk and bizarre so some kind of flyer with a fantasy twist!!

Does this mean bt will get a dragon?

[StratManKudzu]

[QUOTE=Guyver 3;5944451]

Not as big! But more bizarre! (unless you play fantasy...). That's most of what I know about it. Speculating from that - big buffing thing with a howdah ?!

Smaller than a thunder hawk and bizarre so some kind of flyer with a fantasy twist!!

Does this mean bt will get a dragon?

I hope not, that would be terrible.