Forgeworld getting a finecast make-over?

[Malakai]

There won't be an increase in user-friendliness if FW switches to FC.

[Hendarion]

veterans who buy FW precisely because they are willing to pay for quality.

Actually "quality" is not what you get from Forgeworld, I can assure you. Mold-slip and badly mixed resin is typical for Forgeworld. But what veterans can get is really expensive kits which need to be bought with a credit card - both is not available to average little Timmy.
The sculpts from Forgeworld are ultra-fine-detail, but the casts are very often not of a very high quality.

[Khornies & milk]

I've spent a small fortune on FW models in the past and only ever had 1 major problem with bad casting, and very few minor issues. If they are switching over to finecast however, their QA better be far ahead of GW's standard or they're be losing a ton of business from me and many many others I know...period.

[darthslowe]

Perhaps I missed the boat, but after having read this thread I don't understand how a single lascannon team being a slightly different color than previous resin means that Forgeworld is changing their production material.

I would venture to say this is not a rumour, but a knee-jerk panic reaction based on unfounded fears of finecast. Please note that there have been no numbers provided for how many finecast products have failed to meet quality standards. All we have is anecdotal evidence provided, mostly, by those that dislike finecast. I myself have purchased about a dozen finecast kits from Games Workshop and have been pleased with them all, but, as I said, this is purely anecdotal and holds no real weight in any discussion about product merits.

[Daigar]

Perhaps I missed the boat, but after having read this thread I don't understand how a single lascannon team being a slightly different color than previous resin means that Forgeworld is changing their production material.

I would venture to say this is not a rumour, but a knee-jerk panic reaction based on unfounded fears of finecast. Please note that there have been no numbers provided for how many finecast products have failed to meet quality standards. All we have is anecdotal evidence provided, mostly, by those that dislike finecast. I myself have purchased about a dozen finecast kits from Games Workshop and have been pleased with them all, but, as I said, this is purely anecdotal and holds no real weight in any discussion about product merits.

Unfounded and anectodal? Wayland returning the whole finecast shipment for having a 55% failure rate is also speculation?

[Napalm]

Perhaps I missed the boat, but after having read this thread I don't understand how a single lascannon team being a slightly different color than previous resin means that Forgeworld is changing their production material.

I think is not the color but the sprue. Normal FW models doesn't come with a sprue but with a resin tag under the feet or somewhere.

I have had several sets of finecast, all were horrible. Bloodknights from fantasy, eldar and de kits from 40k and many lotr blisters. I too have gotten the aero resin bars.

Metal bloodknights, as the metal chaos champion on the daemonic mount were already horrible and impossible to build without heavy equipment (what can you do with a horse coming in 2 half that doesn't fit?) My daemonic mount is taking dust somewhere on my workshop. At least you can cut the finecast resin more easily.
But yes I don't want to buy it again in finecast...

[Eviltim]

I think is not the color but the sprue. Normal FW models doesn't come with a sprue but with a resin tag under the feet or somewhere.



Metal bloodknights, as the metal chaos champion on the daemonic mount were already horrible and impossible to build without heavy equipment (what can you do with a horse coming in 2 half that doesn't fit?) My daemonic mount is taking dust somewhere on my workshop. At least you can cut the finecast resin more easily.
But yes I don't want to buy it again in finecast...

I have the same issue, Do I rebuy my 'Cruddy Metals' in finecast? I think before going over to finecast, more metals should be plastic/ Multi-piece Plastic.

[Gir]

No-way in hell would I ever buy another FW model if they switched to FC. Could you imagine having to keep phoning overseas because they stick you with miscast bubble-ridden hunks of rubber they call resin? Your phone bill would cost more than your models!

If only someone could invent some kind of "electronic mail" so information can be transferred internationally without the use of a phone.

[Ravenous]

There won't be an increase in user-friendliness if FW switches to FC.

Not if they keep the prices the same, cheaper materials then the nerve of increased prices? yeah f that.

The other possibility is that Death Korps will be going "mainstream" like the FW books.

[Archibald_TK]

If only someone could invent some kind of "electronic mail" so information can be transferred internationally without the use of a phone.

If only FW knew about it maybe they would actually answer to people contacting them by mail.

[eldargal]

From the FW Facebook page:

Finecast resin is not Forge World resin. While both are a two-part resin mix, Finecast with its additional 'flex' isn't suitable for manufacturing most of the FW range, although many of the techniques were trialed on some of our smaller kits such as heavy weapons teams. The customers in question have probably just received one of these kits.

[Erazmus_M_Wattle]

I think Forgeworld have probably learned a few casting techniques from the new finecast process. The resins company GW works with were working quite intensely with them to implement finecast. I'm sure they will have been working with FW too.

The sprues Fincast has were because they use a machine to inject the moulds. It is possible that Forgeworld are implementing the same technique but with their usual type of resin.

To be honest this thread smacks quite heavily of panic. Guys, chill out.

EDIT: There. Piped at the post by Eldargal. Just as I suspected.

[colonel kane trine]

Every finecast mini ive had has been flawless
I plan to order the fw hierodule and biotitan after xmas so I hope they sort this out.
Im dreading having to cut and pin the legs of the titan as it is! Ive never cut up finecast so id be abit worried

[Zinge]

Every finecast mini ive had has been flawless
I plan to order the fw hierodule and biotitan after xmas so I hope they sort this out.
Im dreading having to cut and pin the legs of the titan as it is! Ive never cut up finecast so id be abit worried

Ok I will bite I have not had a good finecast model yet and the internet is full of pitures of models with problems. Any chance of some pictures of your flawless models?

Cheers

Kit

[LonelyPath]

I am also yet to see a flawless FC model (the one with the smallest flaws was Stormlord and he had a arm that looked like swiss cheese).

[Archibald_TK]

From the FW Facebook page:

Finecast resin is not Forge World resin. While both are a two-part resin mix, Finecast with its additional 'flex' isn't suitable for manufacturing most of the FW range, although many of the techniques were trialed on some of our smaller kits such as heavy weapons teams. The customers in question have probably just received one of these kits.

Considering this thread got an answer to what was happening and it is turning into the daily Finecast debate, maybe it would be wiser to either move it out of News/Rumours or simply close it?

[Major_Manny]

In the last couple of years i have spent over £4000 on FW kits, and seriously the only really bad kit i can remember getting is the DK Engineers set...they were bad....really really bad. However, FW are not as bad as some people make them out to be, but i supose some people are unlucky.

Cheers,

Manny

[Napalm]

Ok I will bite I have not had a good finecast model yet and the internet is full of pitures of models with problems. Any chance of some pictures of your flawless models?

I can make pictures of flawless (well, a few things to remove with a knife, but same as plastics):
-Necrotect
-chaos exalted heroes
-azagh the slaughtrer (was worrired with this one because he's not in a transparent box. Haven't built it yet but the pieces looks fines and happy to see it in resin, would be a hell to glue it in metal).
I've checked a lot of plastic box in my store to see the quality, and indeed some needs more work than other (lots of flash or bubbles). I'd say something like 1/3 have little defects, that's still enormous and not the quality you espect, sure.

I think people with good finecast experience will yell less and don't bother taking pictures, that's why you don't see it (it's like computer parts, in forums you can find a lot of "this motherboard is crap", because when it works you don't make a forum post).

colonel kane trine:
You can cut finecast as easily as plastic (bought the exalted heroes to make an bsb).

However, FW are not as bad as some people make them out to be, but i supose some people are unlucky.

I've bought "only" 1000-1500€ FW stuff but i've seen some ugly stuff (not too ugly that cannot be fixed, but quite not that you expect), and I've seen very unfortunate friends, like a bad casted GUO "leaking" bad dosed resin (well, that's quite realist to get a GUO that will never dry and always leak )
I think you must avoid some bad month to order, like just before Christmas where they're probably casting lots of stuff in a little time.
Just to compare, when you buy traditional kits like dragon/tamiya or resin modelism pieces, they're kinda expensive too but you get etched brass or decals (compared to fw that sold it spare) and the quality check seems really better (no ugly mold lines or defect whatever the cast is in).

[Zinge]

@Napalm

Please could you make some high res pics of the Finecast models. I am really intrested to see some what Finecast is capable of.

Cheers

Kit

[Napalm]

Ok will do it this week end.