Forgeworld getting a finecast make-over?

[Deamon-forge]

damn, i herd about this and was hopeing it was not true...... but if they are using the same resin as FW have been then i dont mind, just dont want them switching to FC resin....


but as said maybe we mite see the Elysian or DKoK in a GW store ? if they are adding to sprues like the FC stuff.......

[Bael]

Personally I have had more issues with FW than with Finecast. I have had to get replacements for about a third of the models in my last 2 FW orders. Only FC issue I have had was with the Techmarine kit.

[Konovalev]

I think the problem is a few bad eggs(bad finecast models) have ruined the bunch. People are naturally resistant to change, so when finecast came out, along with price rises on joy, people were looking for things to complain about. Enter some deformed finecast models. In addition, resin is a material very different from plastic, and often requiring greater skill to work with, it tends to have more flash, and doesnt bind as easily as plastic. Unskilled modellers look at the flash, or the increased difficulty and declare failcast! crapcast! this is an inferior product! when in fact they simply don't know how to work with it and need to adjust to a new material. And so in this way the finecast hate monster was born.

I've had finecast models with imperfections, I've also had many many plastic kits with imperfections so where is the hate for plasticfail? I'm not even going to start on warped metal models because if I didn't know any better I'd say they were designed that way.

I've had forgeworld resin models with imperfections and obscenely excessive flash. I had to take a sawzall saw to my forgeworld baneblade because the flash on the tread pieces was nearly twice the size of the treads themselves. And If I hadn't been modeling for over 15 years I would have returned my forge world khorne daemon prince. All the little spikes and teeth for it were on sprues, nearly indistinguishable from flash, and very easily broken. I used nearly $5 in greenstuff on that model fixing gaps and mold lines and nicks I had made cutting pieces off the sprue.

[Zinge]

I have 4 copies of 3 different models dante, astorath and techmarine, Not one of them was fit for sale. The last set was even checked by customer services.

I have numerous forgeworld models most of which have minor defects but generally within the bounds of acceptability.

I also manufacture my own resin bits for my Zinge Industries shop and I would have been embarrassed to send out the Finecast models that GW sent me. Nevermind the fact that they were replaced 3 times each.

[Napalm]

I've also had many many plastic kits with imperfections so where is the hate for plasticfail?

That's a point.
When you get 0.5mm shift on ALL the pieces of a sprue, it's indeed quite boring.
When it's all the sprues of the box, you cry (Got this mostly on old molds stuff, like khorne berserkers, cadians...).

For Zinge problems, maybe some models will never be good in finecast, the mold wasn't designed for it anyway. What about recent finecast only things? (kinda happy with the necrotect I've bought for example).
For those who can use a reseller/gw store, you can check your clampacks. For big kits that's just russian roulette.

[Senbei]

I think it all depends on what you consider a 'good' cast. Gamers sometimes draw the line much lower than modelers.

http://www.akaranseth.com/blog/overlords-5-6-fail.htm

[spaint2k]

I bought the Space Marine character conversion set back in May and wasn't really satisfied with the quality. The kit has sat in a bits box waiting for me to get the motivation to pull it out and work out the problems (couple of air bubbles and a bit of slip on the legs basically - and the legs were the main reason I bought the kit).

Looking at it today, most of it's okay but I am glad that I never had any intention of using the power sword because it's thin and bendy - and yes, I'm 95% sure it's actually "fine"cast resin. The sprues are bendy and pliable, nothing like Forge World's usual castings (inasmuch as we can call anything from Forge World "usual", given that they change their resin mixes nearly daily). The pistols did cast nicely, the head and combi-flamer were good, the knife is bendy rubbish. Power glove has a couple of bubbles at the fingertips, arms also have a bubble or two.

Yep, pretty sure they have indeed switched to Finecast for some of their stuff. Doesn't seem to have any mould release on it either...

Also, can I please call for people to take general Finecast complaining etc. to the official bitching thread over in GW General before this thread gets closed? This thread is really about ascertaining whether or not Forge World has started using Finecast resin in their products.

Mods - if necessary could this entire thread be moved to General?

[JDman]

I never though of finecast as the actual material but rather the entire package (material, mold, GW model, ect.). I would feel that even if FW used the finecast resin it would still be a far superior product. That is really FW job to release superior sculpts and quality.

With that said since were talking finecast, the only issue ive run into was my finecast casket of souls had a small bubble in one of the swords. Personally I wouldnt mind buying a finecast mini so long as I can see it first.

[Ravenous]

superior sculpts and quality? Aahahaha no, Ive nearly giving up on FW after my last 3 orders all had some serious warping issues, there shouldnt be a damn thing wrong with anything they release for the price Im paying.

[Inquisitor Engel]

Personally I have had more issues with FW than with Finecast. I have had to get replacements for about a third of the models in my last 2 FW orders. Only FC issue I have had was with the Techmarine kit.

This.

My Forge World experiences have required significant work to get usable in any kind of painting way. My Finecast experiences (and I waited a good couple of months from introduction) have been almost flawless, normal sanding and clipping I'd expect from a metal model.

From the very beginning, models that were designed with Finecast in mind (Dark Eldar onwards) seemed to have better reviews in general than the models that were metal and then cast up. I bought a box of FC Eldar Rangers the other day and they are absolutely beautiful, no bending, very little flash and smooth surfaces with sharp edges.

I do like FW's resin for large models, so I do hope they at least keep a mix of resins if they are swapping, but I have a feeling they've just gone for the sprue style, rather than changing the formula wholesale.

[UberBeast]

Has anyone else received a recent FW model on recut sprues?

[Light and Fluffy Time]

I think it all depends on what you consider a 'good' cast. Gamers sometimes draw the line much lower than modelers.

http://www.akaranseth.com/blog/overlords-5-6-fail.htm

This.

Models in general are always going to have issues with not being perfect. That's just how molding works. GW's skills are very up there, but it's not like every cast has to be perfect. A lot of the problems people complain about are really minor things that wouldn't even be noticeable on the tabletop.

Bent weapons and stuff excluded of course, but the little holes and stuff are nothing worth complaining about.

[EmperorNorton]

This.

Models in general are always going to have issues with not being perfect. That's just how molding works. GW's skills are very up there, but it's not like every cast has to be perfect. A lot of the problems people complain about are really minor things that wouldn't even be noticeable on the tabletop.

Bent weapons and stuff excluded of course, but the little holes and stuff are nothing worth complaining about.

You are honestly looking at the cast shown under that link, something somebody paid £10.50/15€/$18.25/$28.00(Aus) for, and say it's nothing worth complaining about?
At that point you should admit to yourself that you care nothing about the aesthetics of the game and play with little green army men instead (which, from my experience, have a better casting quality than GW's Finecast).

[Spiney Norman]

This just hit me: Assuming that FW is indeed switching to finecast, perhaps the models will turn out better because of higher quality control and the fact that the molds were made with resin in mind?

hardly, even if Fw managed to produce models in finecast resin without the miscasts plaguing GW it will still be the same bendy crap rather than the higher quality rigid FW resin.

Actually "quality" is not what you get from Forgeworld, I can assure you. Mold-slip and badly mixed resin is typical for Forgeworld. But what veterans can get is really expensive kits which need to be bought with a credit card - both is not available to average little Timmy.
The sculpts from Forgeworld are ultra-fine-detail, but the casts are very often not of a very high quality.

Fair enough, I'll admit I've not bought a lot of FW kits (only 6 actually), but I've not had any problems with mold slip etc, the only thing has been slightly bent components, but FW resin seems to be much easier to straighten than finecast using warm/cold water, at least with FW you only have to do it once. I'd say with some degree of certainty that FW's miscast rates are nowhere near as bad as finecast or we'd have been hearing about it for years.

This.

Models in general are always going to have issues with not being perfect. That's just how molding works. GW's skills are very up there, but it's not like every cast has to be perfect. A lot of the problems people complain about are really minor things that wouldn't even be noticeable on the tabletop.

Bent weapons and stuff excluded of course, but the little holes and stuff are nothing worth complaining about.

its curious how some companies do manage well cast resin models then, like the spartan games models, they may not be very imaginative designs but the quality of the casting is much higher than GWs FC range.

[GomezAddams]

Its all very interesting

There basically aiming at the kids now with forgeworld, but it seems bizarre when some kits just wont be possible in finecast (anything larger then an infantry man I should imagine).

If theres a price drop, I'd consider it. Krieg on the cheap would be lovely but I think come the new year I'll nab some of the models I've been after before they get switched and wave a fond farewell as they sink into the ground.

[drear]

tbh that 'example' is a rather good model. theres maybe 1 point on the whole model thats actually miscast. thats the ribcage.

the rest of those circles and arrows point to flash and mold release..things that you remove.
i dont get a tactical marine box and moan about all the flash and mold lines all over the models.

i bought the necron lord model yesturday, didnt check it instore, got it home...and its beautiful. i has no miscasts. the most i did was pick a small pink bit of rubber out of a vertibre.

sombody said earlier in this topic that they wont judge fine cast on the GOOD products they have received, but instead view it from the point of view of the people complaining about finecast, in order to gauge its quality.

if you look at any product from the view of the unhappy vcustomer, it will come off bad.


on topic however..
FW using finecast resin might be a nice idea, i find fw stuff very fragile, its not as fragile as warmachines plasi-resin though..thank god.

[crandall87]

I buy a lot of FW and have yet to have any in this style. I cannot see the whole range being switched to finecast but maybe the IG infantry could be going down this direction. The finecast haters shouldn't have too much to fear.

[Light and Fluffy Time]

You are honestly looking at the cast shown under that link, something somebody paid £10.50/15€/$18.25/$28.00(Aus) for, and say it's nothing worth complaining about?
At that point you should admit to yourself that you care nothing about the aesthetics of the game and play with little green army men instead (which, from my experience, have a better casting quality than GW's Finecast).

Oh come on, there's nothing but tiny nicks in that Overlord, which is probably fitting for an ancient robot. Not to mention most GW stores seem happy to swap miscasts. Unless you live in jerk-city or something.

[Rolsheen]

As I have been collecting for over twenty years and was one of the first people to buy a FW baneblade, warhound and marauder I can safely say that the FW products have improved not because of the change in resin but in the change of casting practices. Give it a couple of years and the Finecast products will be just as good as the metal products their replacing.

[shabbadoo]

Suit 1: "Finecast has turned out to be a total nightmare."

Suit 2: "Yes, and that is why we are going to expand it. When you make something bad enough, it will, in theory, travel around 'the wheel of reality' and become good. Yes, the goal is to go beyond bad, such that it then becomes good. The only way to do this is to expand Finecast to both Forgeworld and Warhammer Forge. Once we have achieved 'perfectly bad', we'll only be just one step away from 'good'. Then it will finally pay off! Besides, right now there is only failure rate of 3%. Don't believe me? Just look at our financial the report. We can do it! We're sooo close!"



I think that 3% refers to the amount of people who eventually get tired of dealing with Finecast, and just ask for their money back. The other 97% of "successes" are those people who run through multiple Finecast copies of whatever model and finally just say "@#$! it! I guess this one only sucks **** rather than is utterly useless like the other six I looked at, so I guess I'll just keep the piece of #$@!"

97% success! W00t!

Worst development yet. I was going to order something from Forgeworld next week too. Not any more. It is annoying enough to have to wait for a Forgeworld order to get filled and delivered. Now I would have to order, wait, receive a piece of Finecrap, would need to give them a call and complain about the **** of a model I received, wait, get another piece of Finecrap, call again and complain, wait, get another piece of Finecrap, etc., ad infinitum. It simply isn't worth the time or effort, so I guess I am done with Forgeworld and Warhammer Forge.

Awesome sculpts; crappy product. It's just plain sad. Customers deserve to have a quality product when they pay this much money. Those who don't demand quality are simply idiots. Seriously, how much time and money is wasted by both GW and its customers in dealing with Finecrap issues? It wouldn't surprise me if it has already topped $1,000,000.