Some Dark Elf Rumours

[Spiney Norman]

I'm not completely against the idea of a combined kit. However, I think they deserve a kit for each one. The argument against this is that "they don't look that different" and that "they both have two-handers". Well, for the first thing, they DO look quite different. Of course they have elements in common (they both are DE elites, small wonder), but what is being dismissed as "a little more mail on show" ends up being quite important when we're talking about miniatures. Also, I think it's fairly possible (if they go the separate kits route) that they give the Execs a bit more of a khainite feel: skin pelts or whatever.
Also, in the attitude portrayed in the mini they should be quite different. Execs are more calm than Witch Elves (but let's face it, a rhabid squirrell is more calm than them!), but not as ominous as BG.
As for the second argument against having two kits, the two-handed weapons thing... well, White Lions and Phoenix Guards both have two-handed weapons. Does anyone think they look the same, or that they could have had any kind of benefit from a combined kit?

Like I said, I'm not completely against a combined kit (they've been doing some great ones lately), but I think they both deserve their own.

White lions and phoenix guard are probably too different because of the lion pelts the WLs wear, but they could certainly have combined phoenix guard with swordsmasters if they'd just made the cloaks separate to the torsos, though I suppose that would have detracted from their emotional blackmail to make people buy multiple island of blood sets.

The advantage of a combo kit is that you would get both units redone in the same kit, which means that either you get both units redone when you would have only gotten one redone, OR you get both kits redone AND something else. You also end up with loads of cool extra bits whichever way you choose to assemble the multipart kit.

[Druchii Monkey]

Maybe, but they don't really look that different. They have produced some pretty stellar dual use kits, and when it comes down to it there isn't a massive amount of difference between the two visually. Different helmets, different weapons, ok so executioners have a little more mail on show, but I don't think that would be too difficult to vary with a good multipart kit.

The thing is i love the current look for the Executioners. I like the full chain-mail look they have whereas the Black Guard are heavily plated up. I think it would be a challenge to do these as a multi-kit, and the Executioners would end up losing some of their distinct character. I think however they do these they should maintain a very distinct character, and would even be interested to see the Executioners heading more in the Khainite Acolyte direction where they lose some of the armour for robes, although the chain-mail would probably win out for me in the end.

I'm not completely against the idea of a combined kit. However, I think they deserve a kit for each one. The argument against this is that "they don't look that different" and that "they both have two-handers". Well, for the first thing, they DO look quite different. Of course they have elements in common (they both are DE elites, small wonder), but what is being dismissed as "a little more mail on show" ends up being quite important when we're talking about miniatures. Also, I think it's fairly possible (if they go the separate kits route) that they give the Execs a bit more of a khainite feel: skin pelts or whatever.
Also, in the attitude portrayed in the mini they should be quite different. Execs are more calm than Witch Elves (but let's face it, a rhabid squirrell is more calm than them!), but not as ominous as BG.
As for the second argument against having two kits, the two-handed weapons thing... well, White Lions and Phoenix Guards both have two-handed weapons. Does anyone think they look the same, or that they could have had any kind of benefit from a combined kit?

Like I said, I'm not completely against a combined kit (they've been doing some great ones lately), but I think they both deserve their own.

I agree with everything you say bar the skin-pelts. That's seditious cult-of-pleasure style behaviour.

[Lars Porsenna]

GW certainly could do a multi-kit for Executioners/Black Guard. They would have to "change" the look of one or the other however. But it is not like this is the first time they've done such a thing (remember when Execs had axes instead of swords?)

Damon.

[Spider-pope]

I don't get it. Why GW doesn't prioritize the revamping of a terribly dated core set.

Nothing about this rumour suggests that there isn't work ongoing on a new Dark Elf Warrior kit, just that if it does exist Eldargals sources didnt manage to sneak a peek at it.

[lbecks]

Nothing about this rumour suggests that there isn't work ongoing on a new Dark Elf Warrior kit, just that if it does exist Eldargals sources didnt manage to sneak a peek at it.

The Warriors have had their magic 12 years. Though the fact that the VC zombies, also 12, haven't been replaced is a little unsettling.

[eldargal]

To paraphrase one of my old archaeology professors, absence of rumour isn't a rumour of absence. We may see new DArk Elf warriors in the future, we just don't know it. There may be zombies in a future VC wave, we just don't know. Personally I would much, much rather see DE specials go from metal to plastic before they bother with new cores.

[lbecks]

I'd prefer they update everything except for the plastic black dragon, corsairs, cold ones, and sorceress. Keep any new plastics consistent with these.

[WokeUpDead]

I'd like new cores first. they are the signature units and the one who define the look of the army, as cores are the units you put most of on the table (at least I do / try to).
but HE/DE spearmen/archers are rather.. let's just say it: butt-ugly.

decent new plastics would breath new life into these armies for me.

[Druchii Monkey]

Personally I would much, much rather see DE specials go from metal to plastic before they bother with new cores.

Completely agree. For me DE warriors are fine, and form a nice easy to paint core that look good when ranked up. Even if they were going to change i would much, much rather they focused on the specials first.

As regards to any rumours i have heard of a possible release of one of the DE kits mid year - possibly Witch Elves. This is third hand from this forum or another, but also comes with the possibly tenuous link to AOW allegedly making their Witch Elf kit at the moment, and a reference on Gav Thorpe's blog shortly after the DE sorceress release about the possibility of Witch Elves followed by Dwarven Slayers and him being quite keen on the idea. Really quite tenuous i know but i fancy the chances.

Q: "Given the cool hair achieved for the plastic sorceress is it now time for plastic witch elves and cauldron? Cool dark eldar models out there but would be good to get poseable fantasy witch elves matching art work in books. Cheers."

A: "I think that looks possible now – I was always keen to make Witch Elves in plastic as soon as it was feasible. After that, Slayers!"
- Gav Thorpe - On September 9, 2011 at 1:50 pm

[rkunisch]

GW certainly could do a multi-kit for Executioners/Black Guard. They would have to "change" the look of one or the other however. But it is not like this is the first time they've done such a thing (remember when Execs had axes instead of swords?)

Well, I remember a Dwarf kit where they did exactly that and it was far from been impressive.

Cheers,

Rolf.

[the Witch kings regent]

GW certainly could do a multi-kit for Executioners/Black Guard. They would have to "change" the look of one or the other however. But it is not like this is the first time they've done such a thing (remember when Execs had axes instead of swords?)

Damon.

the axes were a special at a Gamesday. ant not normal release. before you had to convert pretty much

[Gosford]

To paraphrase one of my old archaeology professors, absence of rumour isn't a rumour of absence. We may see new DArk Elf warriors in the future, we just don't know it. There may be zombies in a future VC wave, we just don't know. Personally I would much, much rather see DE specials go from metal to plastic before they bother with new cores.

Yes! Thank you!!!

And if there will be an Exe/BG dual kit, I wouldn't mind seeing Exes go to axes. Would make a lot of sense.

Also, i'd like to see BG get a shield option whenever a new book rolls around. Give BG an option for shield and additional option for 4+ special BG armour (shield required) which could allow you to build a pretty nice defense unit. Less killy in strength, more survivable. More or less on par with Chaos Warriors but with elf toughness. Could be fun.

You could even add another option for a second infamous Black Guard leader (like Kouran) who is only available to BG units who run shield and 4+armour. He could have his own unique set of rules different from Kouran.

Hell, give executioners dual hand weapon option too and then they TOO could have a second unique leader.

For fluff you could even say that Kouran's infamous unit and X's infamous unit are longtime rivals. In addition, when both units are taken on the field with their respected leaders, the army gains more bonuses. For example, if Kouran's unit charges an enemy unit and X's BG charge the same unit, whoever does the most wounds gets an extra +1 combat rez. So they are always competing. Not necessarily a good example, but just an example nonethelss.

The game is already broken to all hell on so many levels, might as well add more fun to it. Of course, these options would be pretty pricey and may not find tournament tables very often (if at all due to comp)

All in all, I want to see more stuff like this. More options, more fluff that can literally feed into the game.


OPTIONS!!!! FUN! :P


a bit of a rant...oops! >.<

[Silvertongue]

I, for one, would loathe for the Exec axes to be back. I love the look of their draich. Looks way more vicious and sleek, and certainly less cartoony than the "Big Super Axe Of Being An Executioner, Ha Ha, See What We Did There?".

[Lars Porsenna]

I, for one, would loathe for the Exec axes to be back. I love the look of their draich. Looks way more vicious and sleek, and certainly less cartoony than the "Big Super Axe Of Being An Executioner, Ha Ha, See What We Did There?".

I tend to agree. The sword was IIRC the preferred method for chopping off the head of a noble. While elven cultures would not neccessarily track to real world cultures (nor should they), the fact that Executioners use 2-handed swords both in battle and while peforming their duty creates a sense of nobility and arrogance for the DE that are entirely suited IMHO...

Damon.

[Druchii Monkey]

I tend to agree. The sword was IIRC the preferred method for chopping off the head of a noble. While elven cultures would not neccessarily track to real world cultures (nor should they), the fact that Executioners use 2-handed swords both in battle and while peforming their duty creates a sense of nobility and arrogance for the DE that are entirely suited IMHO...

Damon.

Completely agree.

[Lord Dan]

Besides, they look cooler!

[Dark Reaper]

I tend to agree. The sword was IIRC the preferred method for chopping off the head of a noble. While elven cultures would not neccessarily track to real world cultures (nor should they), the fact that Executioners use 2-handed swords both in battle and while peforming their duty creates a sense of nobility and arrogance for the DE that are entirely suited IMHO...

Damon.

The sword was the preferred method only due to status iirc. It was not uncommon for the executioner to switch to an axe if the sword could not cut the victims neck.

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[Mr. Ultra]

Any possibilities of seeing new Spearmen/Crossbowmen? They suffer the same gigantic glove hand syndrome of the High Elf spearmen...

[TRIBUN]

You mean the elfish meatfist?

Yeah, this is something, what defenitly has to be improved!

[lbecks]

If GW actually did 6 unique sprues for elite infantry and not just 3 and doubled they could do dual kits. But that would also be a price increase.