Dark Elf Wishlist

[Glenn87]

Checking trough my old DE army books, and seeing rumour after rumour comming about WoC, Dwarfs and VC, I tought it might be a good idea starting a thread about what we want in the new Dark Elf Army Book.
Both Fluff-wise and Rules wise.

I'll start off, with one of the small details wich annoys me about our book.
Kouran of the Black Guard, and Tullaris of Har Ganeth.

Both are 'special Character', and unit champion Upgrades. How come Druchii only get this, while the High Elves get Korhil and Caradryan as full hero-type characters.

I'd LOVE to see them with a Masters' (basic hero) stats, and the following things:

175 points
Kouran: Wields the Crimson Death, and wears his Armour of Grief.
Special Rules: Warrior Elite (re-roll failed rolls to hit), eternal Hatred, Unbreakable/stubborn (if Kouran joins a unit, it becomes unbreakable/stubborn).

195 points
Tullaris: Wields the Blade of Har Ganeth and wears heavy armour.
Special Rules: Eternal Hatred, Killing Blow, (possibly Khainite), cause fear, and his rule that if he kills an enemy in a challenge, he gets +D3 combat resolution on top of the wounds he did.

Also, fluff-wise, I'd like to see the names of our Lord and Hero characters chanced. Dreadlord becomes Drachau (rules of the cities) and Masters could possibly become either Highborn or Vaulkhar.


Possibly change the 'War Hydra' entry to 'Tamed Monster' entry, giving you the choice between Hydra's, Manticore's and other monsters. As the Druchii have acces to many monsters, not just Hydra's.



Anyone else has a Druchii Wishlist?? (apart from nerf their power and balance their book...if you say this, at least tell us WHAT you want to chance in order to get this)

[calnen]

As a non-dark-elf player, the main thing I'd like to see is 225 or 250-point Hydras.

[Grocklock]

Id like to see slaves in the armies. In the fluff they talk about how they release slaves on the field of battle. Shoot them down to creat differcult terrain. Id like them to field slaves on the field of battle.

[Rosstifer]

No access to Shadow to make 90% o f Dark Elf players actually use their damn army.
Malekith made a heck of a lot more bad@$$.
Dark Magic needs a few tweaks.
Pendant gone.
If Shadow goes, Corsairs could drop a point. Hydra maybe 10-15pts more expensive, but honestly, they aren't that broken.

New Witch Elf, Blackguard, Dark Rider, Excutioner plastic models.
Excecutioners buffed a little.
20 max cap on Blackguard gone.
Cold One Knights 24-25pts
Dark Riders like, 5pts cheaper.
Bolt Throwers reworked.
Manticore much cheaper.

Might think of more later.


I don't really think they need that much adding. One or two new units, but tbh they already have a good range of troop types.

[Valnir]

I'd like to see Heroes and Lords having the choice to purchase the Khainite ability even if it's not at an optimized cost.
The Heroes that got turned into champion upgrades turn them back to proper heroes.
T4 Characters
Dark magic reverted back to the +1 to casting instead of the unlimited dice
Blackguard 20 cap removed
Bolt throwers' multishot turned into the small template and functions exactly like a mortar
Mounted monsters need to be reduced drastically or points don't come from character slots (maybe make them black points like assassins)
Hydra increased in points
Dragons to have an un-modified armor save meaning the strength of the attack doesn't change it's 4+ save but anything that ignores armor saves denies it

[Rosstifer]

Bolt throwers' multishot turned into the small template and functions exactly like a mortar

I approve of this idea. .

[TsukeFox]

Slaaaveesss-!!! Slaves carrying the cauldron of Blood (no way those skinny witches can lug that "large target.".

Chimera with monster handlers.

Either bump up the price of spearman or let High & Wood elf armies get 6 point infantry.

Sea serpent with free water terrain/pond-?

As per the trend if other other 8th codexes one caster must take Dark magic.

[chieftainskritchskritch]

Id like to see slaves in the armies

Slaaaveesss-!!!

Noooo! No! No, no, no, no, no!

It really, really, REALLY annoys me when I see this kind of wishlisting coming from Delfs. This has been going on since the Storm of Magic, where the DE community tried to make a concerted push to get slaves into the next DE armybook. DE should never have access to slaves, and this is why:

In order to aquire slaves, the slavers have to set out on long and dangerous voyages, usually across the seas, attack isolated townsteads and transport slaves back home (many of which dont live through the journey). At the end of the day you come home with, what, maybe a few thousand? And a tenth of that goes straight to the Khaine temples? Acquiring slaves is something that takes a lot of planning and resources to do, so why the hell would you waste all your effort by having them butchered on the battlefield? The Delf slaves are very, very valuable, hard to aquire, and are a finite resource.

And before you start with "but, but, but, Skaven!!!", the reason the Skaven have slaves is because when one clan subjugates another (something that happens daily, unlike the slave-raids of the DElfs which can take months to complete) there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of enslaved rats to hand. Hundreds of thousands. Every day. The Skaven empire is so overrun with slave labour that they regularly eat slaves just to keep the numbers down. This justifies why they are used on the battlefield - Skavenslaves arent valuable, they arent hard to aquire and there are a myriad of ways to get more. There just isnt true for the DElves.

No slaves in the new DElf book.

/rant.

EDIT: Also get rid of the Pendant and make Hydras 250pts, as was stated earlier.

[sulla]

I don't know what I'd want for dark elves if I had total control over them.

Fix their prices and rules for 8th edition, of course.

Then; More poison, and summoned daemons, I think. I like the aspect of DE as how chaos and elves interact, not with the elves as the suplicant, like humans, but instead fancying themselves as the master.

I'd be quite happy to lose shadow magic in return for, say, beasts or life to buff the fragile r'n'f.

[Valnir]

Noooo! No! No, no, no, no, no!
.......


/rant.

EDIT: Also get rid of the Pendant and make Hydras 250pts, as was stated earlier.

I'm not a fan of slaves but wow, talk about having a fit over something so trivial

[Glenn87]

I agree with most stuff here, except:

- Slaves: I really like the idea, but I understand (and support) Kritchskritch's rant/statement.
- Hydra going 250, I think 220-225 is enough, just like the SoM one
- T4 Elves, no, never, ever. It's triple-army wide that ALL Elves have T3. Hell, they can even make Malekith T3 instead if 4
- Making Spears kost more...they're fine as they are (altough I do support making Corsairs cheeper by 1-2 points)
- Skipping Shadow. I know this frustrates people, but skipping one (or all) of the BRB lores isn't why they made the BRB... Actually, I'd like to know how many Lores TK and Ogres have available? I know O&G have none (only their own Waagh! magic).
Maybe they could do something like giving acces to more lores for the Lord wizard then the Hero (as is the case with Chaos and Brets right now).
- Bolt Thrower into Mortar....


Some very good ideas!!
Forgot about the 20-cap on BG, they have to remove that...(altough, that'll mean Black Guard/Cauldron deathstars)
Cheeper Dark Riders

I'm Curious as to what kind of Magic Items there'll be. Knowing they'll be capped at 8-10, there's not alof of choice. I recon one of them will be the Executioners Axe (in name, no idea what they'll make as ability).


One thing's for sure, when they change the book, DE's are going to be a LOT less powerfull imo

[Valnir]

- T4 Elves, no, never, ever. It's triple-army wide that ALL Elves have T3. Hell, they can even make Malekith T3 instead if 4

I'm curious as to why you're against Elves characters having T4? You want our characters to die so easily to RnF?

[Dreadlordpaul]

Personally I want our damn knights to be cheaper an if they r gonna make Malekith 600 points MAKE HIM WORTH THOSE POINTS plus I want to see his dragon get some special rules

[sulla]

- T4 Elves, no, never, ever. It's triple-army wide that ALL Elves have T3. Hell, they can even make Malekith T3 instead if 4

You realise they only made elven fighter characters t3 in 6th edition, right?

Even as recently as 5th edition, fighter and sorceror characters were t4. Malekith was t5!

T3 was introduced in 6th edition and to be honest, it didn't matter much because you either charged and won or got charged and lost due to killed models not being able to fight back. Now there is no way to 'fight yourself to safety' and as a trend, you are seeing all elven armies shed their fighter characters for not combat alternatives.

[BigbyWolf]

Both are 'special Character', and unit champion Upgrades. How come Druchii only get this, while the High Elves get Korhil and Caradryan as full hero-type characters.

Daemons, OnG & Beastmen also get this (and possibly more).

As a non-dark-elf player, the main thing I'd like to see is 225 or 250-point Hydras.

Agreed, Hydras need to be a lot more pricey than they currently are, and given the price of similar creatures, I don't think 250 is out of the question.

T4 Characters

No, keep it T3.

Blackguard 20 cap removed

This is probably a given- I think they're probably the only infantry unit to be capped so low.

Bolt throwers' multishot turned into the small template and functions exactly like a mortar

No, keep it as it is. There really is no justification to have it like a mortar, other than "I want a mortar for my Dark Elves".

I'm curious as to why you're against Elves characters having T4? You want our characters to die so easily to RnF?

As easily as any other elf. They have high initiative, but low toughness, it's just the way it goes.

[TsukeFox]

I'm not a fan of slaves but wow, talk about having a fit over something so trivial

But does it not make sense to have slaves for use of battlefield sacerfice-?
And less sense that the stabby dagger kill off dark elves who already have a limited population-?

[Mr. Ultra]

I'm not a fan of slaves but wow, talk about having a fit over something so trivial

Hey, we are wargamers after all (and nazis, according to Greek press).

I'm far more concerned about models that about rules, I hope we can see new Witches models, including Hellebron and a new Morathi.

[Valnir]

Daemons, OnG & Beastmen also get this (and possibly more).



Agreed, Hydras need to be a lot more pricey than they currently are, and given the price of similar creatures, I don't think 250 is out of the question.

No, keep it T3.

This is probably a given- I think they're probably the only infantry unit to be capped so low.

No, keep it as it is. There really is no justification to have it like a mortar, other than "I want a mortar for my Dark Elves".

As easily as any other elf. They have high initiative, but low toughness, it's just the way it goes.

I'm failing to see the refusal for elves to have T4 other than just a stigma. These lords (Dark,High and Wood) have been battling for centuries and yet some old empire coot is tougher than them. Not to mention with step up and the way 8th changed combat it has made these T3 characters almost a waste as a skaven slave has just as good odds of taking down a lord as it does a regular trooper, which only encourages the amulet that everyone whinges about. Not to mention besides skink heroes I believe they are the only hero class to have T3. I doubt it's game braking.

Then you have a problem with the elves having access to a 100 point mortar? As it stands BS shooting stands no where near the shooting power of templates. It's a viable way to keep the bolt thrower (obviously it would happen for the high elves as well) to make it a viable choice other than a waste of a 100 points and perhaps give people a pause before taking that second hydra

[Valnir]

But does it not make sense to have slaves for use of battlefield sacerfice-?
And less sense that the stabby dagger kill off dark elves who already have a limited population-?

I was talking about the rant from chieftainskritchskritch

[BigbyWolf]

I'm failing to see the refusal for elves to have T4 other than just a stigma. These lords (Dark,High and Wood) have been battling for centuries and yet some old empire coot is tougher than them. Not to mention with step up and the way 8th changed combat it has made these T3 characters almost a waste as a skaven slave has just as good odds of taking down a lord as it does a regular trooper, which only encourages the amulet that everyone whinges about. Not to mention besides skink heroes I believe they are the only hero class to have T4. I doubt it's game braking.

They have high initiative, but low toughness.

Is my view, nothing to do with stigma.

Then you have a problem with the elves having access to a 100 point mortar? As it stands BS shooting stands no where near the shooting power of templates. It's a viable way to keep the bolt thrower (obviously it would happen for the high elves as well) to make it a viable choice other than a waste of a 100 points and perhaps give people a pause before taking that second hydra

I honestly would rather see the rules for the bolt-thrower improved, something like multiple rank pentration for both firing versions. I just cant see how to justify it as a template, unless it's a ball of spring-loaded arrows that they chuck at the enemy...but that doesn't sound very elvish!