New Citadel Paints (Was Gossip - GW paints to be discontinued in march)

[Napalm]

Well that's what the range is, same paint but watered down for airbrushes and the same price.

Not really, vallejo air have more pigments: if you water citadel or vallejo game colour as much to use in your airbrush, they don't cover anything.
Fondation range works well too in an airbrush even with heavy dilution.

I may re-invest in Coat d'Arms, but it won't be easily as I'm pretty heavily invested in GW paints, and I know how they "work..."

As they are basically the old GW range, you won't see a big change, they'll work the same way.

I totally agree with juicifer, you can work with a lot of different brands and pick up what you like.
Tamiya paints are great, especially with a airbrush. The only problem is that their range is covering pure military and cars, so "fantasy" colours are only available in glossy.
But if you paint imperial guards or tau for example, the range is great.

Lots of other modelling brand like Mig makes quite good stuff like very good oils already mixed with usable colours for our hobby and quality pigments. You can indeed buy some cheaper in an art store but I find it convenient already in the colour I need, and a little jar of mig pigment last years (10 tanks weathered, lots of base and troops = 1/3 of or pot) and the colour stay the same when mixed with plaster, liquids: I had bad surprises with art store pigments for this (like a nice sand colour becoming an ugly mustard one when weathering a finished tank is not a good one).

A lot of people are speaking about metallic paints, those ones have a great look:
http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/gb/liquid-gold-gb.html
They have a few drawbacks: you must use alcohol to dilute, and they dry very, very quickly (basicly adding 1-2 drops of alcohole every 2mins). The "The colours can be mixed with one another and dry almost instantly." is true.
BUT they look as bright & realistic as the enamel metals (humbrol etc.), without the X hour dry time. I would not recommend it for a beginner or to paint the guns of 150 imperial guards, but great for extra work on some HQ.

[xxRavenxx]

Not really, vallejo air have more pigments

They really don't. If you thin your paints down with mediums and thinner, as opposed to water, you'll hit on the same consistancy vallejo air, which is entirely just pre-thinned paints.

That said, it has advantages. If youve got a graphic designer's airbrush, you don't want home-thinned acrylic paints going through it or it will clog due to them being much too heavy.

[redben]

Their going to advertise in WD: 1 pot paints 1 mini! More convenient than ever!

GW has already priced themselves out of my budget but i'm interested in seeing if they come up with a new line of something in this change. Foundations and Washes have been met with overall approval so despite the prices people seem to like the new paint products. I also wonder if this has anything to do with ArmyPainter's paint line coming out in the US in march.

I think the new Army Painter range is released worldwide in March and I wondered that too. Like many others, I only really use GW for the foundations and washes.

[Sgt John Keel]

Well said. Graveyard Earth, Kommando Khaki, and Desert Yellow are probably #4, 5 and 6 for me in terms of use.

I really like most of those more naturalistic colours they released back in 2003, it's a pity they're not that easy to work with though. And they have already discontinued terracotta.

[Napalm]

They really don't. If you thin your paints down with mediums and thinner, as opposed to water, you'll hit on the same consistancy vallejo air, which is entirely just pre-thinned paints.

That said, it has advantages. If youve got a graphic designer's airbrush, you don't want home-thinned acrylic paints going through it or it will clog due to them being much too heavy.

Ok. Haven't managed to get the same consistency & coverage by diluting regular game colour. Do you know the average amount of medium/thinner used?

I'm actually using tamiya thinner for almost every paint now, it's not very cheap but I have good results and no more clogging.

[Cryptic]

They are always doing this. Gamesworkshop has got to be the most inflation incorporating company ever. Its like buying bread for 10pounds.

[IanR]

i heard rumours that GW are going to pre-painted minis (apparently painted to or by the Eavy metal team)

I see it as the only way to justify the current prices

[Verm1s]

I would like to officially and pre-emptively claim "failpaint" as my copyrighted term of referencing the new GW paint line as of now.

How old are you?

[Napalm]

i heard rumours that GW are going to pre-painted minis (apparently painted to or by the Eavy metal team)

I see it as the only way to justify the current prices

I've heard it too since ages (mostly since now dead Rackham were telling "prepaint is the future", just before disappearing ), and fortunately it seems unrealistic:
-they already have storage problems, could you imagine all the prepainted boxes would look likes? "sorry we haven't got any blood angels left, but we've got plenty of ultramarines".
-that's a great aspect of the hobby. I you don't like building & painting minis & scenery, why would you play warhammer?
-diversity of base, positions, equipment...
-if the heavy metal painting team should do it, they have to relocate in China and grow a bit, I haven't a clue of the exact number but what is the amount of citadel miniatures sold Daily?
-just my personal opinion: most of the prepaint mini I've seen sucks. The painted things on the boxes are painted by real painter, and when you open it it's just really worse. Rackham ones were just plain ugly, and more bended/twisted than finecast things (and in soft plastic, it was really closer to toys).
I think the special edition of Dust tactics were pretty good for prepainted stuff, but the price was really, really heavy.

So I don't think this is true (and I hope it isn't !)

[Night Bearer]

How old are you?

33 - 34 in February - but I'm young at heart.

(You do realize my comment was in jest, right?)

So I don't think this is true (and I hope it isn't !)

I think your sarcasm detector is broken as well - the eavy metal and price justification references I think give away how 'serious' a 'rumor' that was.

[Napalm]

I think your sarcasm detector is broken as well - the eavy metal and price justification references I think give away how 'serious' a 'rumor' that was.

Well, Rackham used in France the same arguments for their pre painted crap sold at high prices with lovely pictures on the boxes, so why not

[IanR]

i heard rumours that GW are going to pre-painted minis (apparently painted to or by the Eavy metal team)

I see it as the only way to justify the current prices

I was Joking, i dont buy any GW product, not even paint (last minis from GW were a box of blood angels when they came out), I just bought an american confederate army (172 metal figures) from Foundry for £100 & use Foundry, coat d'arms & vallejo paints

[EldarWolf]

Every time this happens I see retailers sell the discontinued paints for half price or thereabouts.

I don't completely understand that. Paint is paint, it's not like it's last year's style of hat... I know I'd still pay full price for a bottle of Brazen Brass. But it's nice!

Around here the main reason seems to be that "Little Timmy" daren't buy anything but the 'official' GW paints in case his friends won't talk to him when they find out! This is after watching them do just that at our (now defunct) FLGS. "I can't use that, it isn't the proper paint for GW models." Despite the fact that some of the best figure painters at GW (staff and customers) were openly using non-GW paints in the shop.

[Night Bearer]

use Foundry, coat d'arms & vallejo paints

How does Foundry compare to CDA? I use CDA and P3 as I find the usually slightly thinner CDA and thicker P3 complement each other, and I've wondered how Foundry compare in terms of fluidity and coverage.

[Wil Grand]

Ok. Haven't managed to get the same consistency & coverage by diluting regular game colour. Do you know the average amount of medium/thinner used?

I'm actually using tamiya thinner for almost every paint now, it's not very cheap but I have good results and no more clogging.

I used to use X-20A thinner all the time but it's really just Isopropyl which I started buying by the bottle.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ISOPROPANO...ht_2633wt_1037
I believe the Tamiya stuff is thinned with water, though. I would advise you to mix up batches outside for use inside as it can knock you out.

[6mmhero]

Foundry can be quite nice to use and the system they have can be very useful when batch painting as they have the shade, base and highlight color.
I don't use them much but they compliment the other range I use well.

I have found that foundation paints clog my airbrush very quickly and this is with them heavily thinned. Best range for an airbrush so far is Tamiya.

[6mmhero]

I used to use X-20A thinner all the time but it's really just Isopropyl which I started buying by the bottle.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ISOPROPANO...ht_2633wt_1037
I believe the Tamiya stuff is thinned with water, though. I would advise you to mix up batches outside for use inside as it can knock you out.

Hmm I may look into that, although a bottle of X-20A lasts me quite a while. So it might not be worth it.

[Lars Porsenna]

Just as an FYI I use Isopropyl alcohol to thin Tamiya paints as well, and buy the big bottles of the 91% stuff at the local pharmacy (about the size of the bottle shown it seems). I don't cut it with anything, as the area I live in can be humid, so faster drying time is an advantage. I also us this to thin Model master Acryl and Polly Scale paints as well (but you CANNOT use it to thin Lifecolor paints, it seems...). I use Tamiya paints almost exclusively for airbrushing.

So I understand, Tamiya paints also thin with lacquer thinner as well, and spray very well. I don't do this becaue of heath concerns.

Damon.

[Sinnertje]

Brazen Brass has gone......when did this happen?

My reaction exactly, I still have a pot of the stuff somewhere.
That said, I'm moving over to vallejo anyway.

[Darnok]

By following this thread, my impression is: the only thing GW achieves with their constant shuffling of their paint range is making their customers aware of how much more options there are, and actively encourage them to try those. Does GW get paid by other suppliers for doing this?