New Citadel Paints (Was Gossip - GW paints to be discontinued in march)

[Mastodon]

Can anyone confirm that the dry paints are no good for regular painting? If you add matt medium, or even water, can you restore them to some measure of usefulness?

I mixed a dry paint with medium and used it to highlight a space marine. Its very easy to do.

[N810]

any one here painted a whole miniture with these yet?

[MajorWesJanson]

I played with the paints the other day at the Battle Bunker. Base paints work rather well, though not quite as easy coverage as foundations. Ceramite white for me took two coats to completely cover a black basecoat. I'm not complaining, as it takes me about 6-7 layers of skull white to get a good coat over light grey right now. Didn't try the texture paints, didn't plan to. Shades work about the same as washes, though I am just starting to use washes more frequently myself, so I am not an expert on them. Dry paint looks strange, but the staffer showed how it is meant to work, and ended up with a very nice result with minimal effort. Looks very useful for things like stonework or cloth, at least as I use them. Leadbelcher looks a tad darker than boltgun metal, but seems to apply smoother and a more even shade. Boltgun I find can sometimes separate a tad, leading lighter and darker patches.

In my opinion, based on using what they had at the demo station, the new paints are not magic (except Ceramite White) but are an incremental improvement over the existing paints. My current painting method is rather slow, so the various step up guides actually seem rather useful to me, and do give decent results. No Golden Daemon, but for me, a decent tabletop standard is quite fine.

[Born Again]

Therre is no pink in the GW paint range.
Get over it.
The nearest they have to a genuine pink is in the dry section but it's only a dry brush paint.
I can do better than your monitor BA, I've seen the paints and tested them and yes, the base range is superb and the layer range is ok and the washes are excellent but there is NO PINK in the regular paint range.
Have you got it yet ???????

No, I haven't. All I've got is you stamping your foot like a petulant child screaming "there is no pink!" when several people have now pointed out that yes, there are in fact two. I agree that they are not pale pinks, but if you are going to declare there are NO pinks, maybe you could go in to detail why. What exactly is Pink Horror and Emperor's Children? Admittedly Pink Horror could be called a very tinted flesh colour, but Emperor's Children is pretty pink. If you're going to declare otherwise perhaps you could say why.

[Hendarion]

Or maybe you both just stop that discussion.

I have to say though that many of the (imo) most tempting "new" colours are in fact the dry brush. Not because of being dry-brush but because of their look/colour/hue. Still useless for me in every possible way, but pretty.

[Autumn Leaves]

No, I haven't. All I've got is you stamping your foot like a petulant child screaming "there is no pink!" when several people have now pointed out that yes, there are in fact two. I agree that they are not pale pinks, but if you are going to declare there are NO pinks, maybe you could go in to detail why. What exactly is Pink Horror and Emperor's Children? Admittedly Pink Horror could be called a very tinted flesh colour, but Emperor's Children is pretty pink. If you're going to declare otherwise perhaps you could say why.

Ok, because they are not pink in colour.
One is more like a washed out lilac and the other is like a very light magenta.
The dry brushing option is the only pinkish paint and that isn't useful at all when what you want is either a layer pink or a base pink.
It's not the end of the world because other companies can fill the pink void admirably.
I'm not stamping any feet here I'm simply making it clear to you that there is 'nothing' in the new paint range (either in the base range or in the layer range) that resembles the good old tentacle pink.
If you want a pink you will have to go elsewhere.
When you get around to using the paints you will soon realise this is the case.
Mixing for highlights is fine.
I'm not interested in mixing a base pink or a layer pink. I want those straight from the pot. You cannot get that from the new GW range.
That is all.

[paspinall]

And you know where in the generalised 'i aint gonna name every hue' magenta is listed ? That would be Pink.

[shelfunit.]

And you know where in the generalised 'i aint gonna name every hue' magenta is listed ? That would be Pink.

To be fair, Magenta is "officially" classed as the colour between pink and purple, and is apparently often mistaken for either, despite being neither.

EDIT: For reference ... http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magenta

[Hendarion]

Ahh, good ol' German language. We got "Pink" and "Rosa". We adopted the "pink" from English of course, but "Pink" here is magenta, the thing you can't really mix well. THIS
"Rosa" is actually like tentacle pink - the thing you get easily when you mix white and red. It is sad that GW doesn't supply one, but it isn't the end of the world. Either buy another brand or simply mix white and red or white and magenta. THIS
But like shelfunit said, magenta is actually between pink and purple. Emperor's children is more magenta than pink.

So... is now everybody satisfied? XD

[shelfunit.]

Very nice use of coloured text there Hendarion - literally illustrates the difference

[Autumn Leaves]

Yeah well done Hendarion.

[Born Again]

Ok, because they are not pink in colour.
One is more like a washed out lilac and the other is like a very light magenta.
The dry brushing option is the only pinkish paint and that isn't useful at all when what you want is either a layer pink or a base pink.
It's not the end of the world because other companies can fill the pink void admirably.
I'm not stamping any feet here I'm simply making it clear to you that there is 'nothing' in the new paint range (either in the base range or in the layer range) that resembles the good old tentacle pink.
If you want a pink you will have to go elsewhere.
When you get around to using the paints you will soon realise this is the case.
Mixing for highlights is fine.
I'm not interested in mixing a base pink or a layer pink. I want those straight from the pot. You cannot get that from the new GW range.
That is all.

Thank you. I get what you are saying, if what you want is a lighter pink, similar to the old Tentacle Pink, then yes, you're stuck without mixing. However, the argument of pink vs. magenta vs. lilac vs. rose vs. fushcia or any other word for pink is nothing but semantics really, and kind of a moot point for me - I still own an almost full pot of Tentacle Pink

Now, there definitely isn't a metallic blue or green, which I was kind of expecting.

[Autumn Leaves]

I don't want a lighter pink, I want an 'actual' pink.
I 'can' make a lighter pink from an actual pink by adding white.
I can't make a lighter pink from a magenta or a lilac or a light purple.
First there must be a genuine Pink, then there can be lighter pinks.

[Jonahmaul]

What do you define as an 'actual' pink then?! I've only seen them on the website but the Emperor's Children paint looks pretty damn like pink to me (if you look at the pot itself not the splotch). It's not Tentacle Pink but it is definitely pink in my book.

[Born Again]

Ok, even I'm now asking that maybe we should drop the pink conversation

[Yodhrin]

Thank you. I get what you are saying, if what you want is a lighter pink, similar to the old Tentacle Pink, then yes, you're stuck without mixing. However, the argument of pink vs. magenta vs. lilac vs. rose vs. fushcia or any other word for pink is nothing but semantics really, and kind of a moot point for me - I still own an almost full pot of Tentacle Pink

Now, there definitely isn't a metallic blue or green, which I was kind of expecting.

I don't see that there's a need for coloured metallics when the range has the glazes and glaze medium; two or three coats of your chosen colour over your preferred metal will achieve a similar result, with the benefit that you're not limited to whatever limited range of coloured metallics GW would produce.

[Graeme]

It's not the end of the world because other companies can fill the pink void admirably.

If there's one thing GW have always been bad at, it's helping people to 'fill the pink void'.

[Jonahmaul]

I don't see that there's a need for coloured metallics when the range has the glazes and glaze medium; two or three coats of your chosen colour over your preferred metal will achieve a similar result, with the benefit that you're not limited to whatever limited range of coloured metallics GW would produce.

Has anybody tried this? What are the results like? Could make for some really interesting combinations.

If there's one thing GW have always been bad at, it's helping people to 'fill the pink void'.

Lol!

[lbecks]

Has anybody tried this? What are the results like? Could make for some really interesting combinations.

You can mix washes directly with metal paint to make new metal colors. The best for mixing and tinting were the inks. I never liked inks for shading but they were great for working with metallics. Of course GW doesn't make inks anymore. If they did as well as putting their dry hues in something between a paint and glaze their line would be complete.

[Spectrar Ghost]

RE: Colored Metallics - Tried the green glaze over Leadbelcher last week. Looked promising for Clan Eshin Weapons, but would probably need two or three coats to get a real green to it.

You'd probably be better off mixing.