New Citadel Paints (Was Gossip - GW paints to be discontinued in march)

[Count Aphazel]

Dax thanks for the information , i actually tested the dheneb stone 'experiment' and it was quite satisfactory , so if you have any other it would be awesome to share.

[superdupermatt]

I'm painting some phoenix guard with old gold (vallejo) armour pieces. I washed one with devlan mud and it made the gold very faded and muted, I washed another with agrax earthshade (the new equivalent) and it made the gold more vibrant and warm - a much better appearance! I think AE has a more orange tint to it than DM, which is pure brown.

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[shelfunit.]

I'm painting some phoenix guard with old gold (vallejo) armour pieces. I washed one with devlan mud and it made the gold very faded and muted, I washed another with agrax earthshade (the new equivalent) and it made the gold more vibrant and warm - a much better appearance! I think AE has a more orange tint to it than DM, which is pure brown.

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Do you have pictures of that? - it would be interesting to see the difference over metallics.

[Archibald_TK]

it made the gold more vibrant and warm

It's because it's not the same color as Devlan Mud at all, it's far more brown thus the more vibrant aspect. It is alas not a replacement for Devlan Mud in any way, not only is the color largely different but so is its behavior when drying.

I am currently painting a Monolith which has large flat areas. The Earthshade is not suited for it as it seems the pigments try to agglutinate with each other which will lead to very visible stains on large surfaces (I'm not sure if I'm explaining that one correctly). It is accentuated if the paint is thinned with water. I toyed a few days with it and other paints and decided to go with a 66% Vallejo Umber Shade or whatever the name/33% water to replace Devlan Mud. The end result is satisfactory as it looks quite close and still have the same ease of use of Devlan (thought in the end I'll finish my stocks of Devlan before going that way).

Overall if I had to judge the Earthshade I'd say that it's very poor, not compared to Devlan Mud, but simply compared to other similar paints. Some friends asked if maybe the pot I have was deficient, quite frankly I don't feel like testing all of the pots at the shop just to figure it out. I'll assume it is working as intended by GW. On 28mm models on the other hand where you can't really have large stains I expect it will behave far better.

[Jonahmaul]

Washes are not good for using on large flat surfaces anyway. I found this out when washing my Land Raider and being left with streaky bits all over. I ended up having to strip it and start again. On my vindicator I've opted to just 'paint' the washes into the recesses to get the shading effect.

[Archibald_TK]

The easiest way I found to use them of large surfaces is to thin them down with water and apply a second layer after the first one is dry.

[dax]

Dax thanks for the information , i actually tested the dheneb stone 'experiment' and it was quite satisfactory , so if you have any other it would be awesome to share.

The only other one I've tried is Charadon Granite as someone asked for it in the painting forum. It was really difficult to match as there is no brown in the GW range that can achieve the right colour - I tried all the new browns. I could probably figure out all the foundations given the time and inclination but I only worked out the ones I need a replacement for.

You need to mix together 2 parts P3 Battledress Green (this actually a brown colour with a hint of green), 1 part Abaddon Black, 1 part Steel Legion Drab and 1 part Vallejo Heavy Charcoal.

[superdupermatt]

Do you have pictures of that? - it would be interesting to see the difference over metallics.

I'll see what I can do!

It's because it's not the same color as Devlan Mud at all, it's far more brown thus the more vibrant aspect. It is alas not a replacement for Devlan Mud in any way, not only is the color largely different but so is its behavior when drying.

It's a like for like replacement in the new range, or is there another wash that is *similar* (thinking along the lines of nuln oil:badab black).

[Archibald_TK]

It's a like for like replacement in the new range, or is there another wash that is *similar* (thinking along the lines of nuln oil:badab black).

Nope, in the new range it's indeed Devlan official replacement. It's just that for people like me who already have a good chunk of their army in the old color we have to find another replacement that is closer from Devlan as Agrax is really more brownish.

[Hendarion]

I never understood what's all the fuzz about Devlan Mud.

[librerian_samae]

I never understood what's all the fuzz about Devlan Mud.

Well at least for me it was like a miracle wash that when put over your models just brought them to life, it gave the illusion of far much more layering and weathering/grime/use being painted on that in reality I would ever have been able to acomplish.

It even made me confident enough to enter a few bits into golden daemon with out feeling embarrassed, and For most things I only spray, foundation and wash!

I geus to sum up like ronceal it just "does what it says on the tin".

[yabbadabba]

I never understood what's all the fuzz about Devlan Mud.

I think its the GW equivalent of Peat Brown Ink from WN.

[Hendarion]

peat Brown Ink from who?

I think librerian_samae has enlightened me though. So its a miracle-thing for people to accomplish something like shading, like dipping just for smaller areas.

[shelfunit.]

I never understood what's all the fuzz about Devlan Mud.

I have to agree with this - it always seems to me like it goes on like watered down brown ink, I was a bit dissapointed when I first used it as I expected it to be "special".

[Hendarion]

Well, I'm not a big fan of washes. But I am a very big fan of translucent paints like inks or "candy colours". They are really useful stuff and imo need more support from GW, because it seems to me many ppl are using their translucent washes to exactly the purpose inks are used for.

[masterowen45]

After using up the last of my badab black I bought some Nuln oil. After using it on several models found it is terrible! once dried is gloseds heavily, which makes them pool more and just look horrific! Is this the case for all the shades? how did this get past GW testing, it is like going back to the inks, the washes were a step in the right direction, it now seems like they care less about quality and more about margins.
anyone else found this shades to be a big issue?

[Fanny Crowbar]

I've tried most of the shades so far and had no problems whatsoever.

[Hendarion]

The Nuln Oil I have isn't glossy at all. It is really matt.

[RevEv]

So far I have been highly impressed by the paints that I have tried.

I decided to take on one project to test them. As I have painted many orks with many different paints over 15 years of hobby life I picked up the suggested paint scheme for orcs in the painting book, with some reference to the cards. The results were great. The base colours covered well and quickly, leaving a good even finish to work on. The shades worked themselves in to the recesses of the model nicely and work well together. The colour range of layer paints is nice, but I will not be throwing out my current set of paints in favour of them since I can mix and blend them to get the same results as the layers. Glazes didn't work for the models I was painting, and I still need to work more with the dry brush compound to form an opinion (I found myself applying too much initially). The basing paints are good as an alternative and quick to apply, although you have to put on far more than you would initially imagine.

Overall impressed with what has been added to the range in the way of bases, shades, glazes and basing paints; The layer paints compliment well the paints I already have, and I have yet to come to terms with the dry brush compounds.

Now I have to decide on the next project - necrons, dark eldar or Khemri?

[Zark the Damned]

Have picked up a few pots to try out and compare with my older stuff, mainly to see how the Yellow on my Averland army compares.

Old Yellow Recipe was: Iyanden Darksun - Highlight with P3 Cygnar Yellow (or Sunburst Yellow, about the same), shade with Gryphonne Sepia
New Yellow Recipe is: Averland Sunset - Highlight with Flash Git Yellow - shade with Seraphim Sepia

Once dried there isn't a whole lot of difference between the colours, and they fit in fine side by side.

In terms of the Paints, I found that Averland Sunset to have slightly less coverage over black, and always needed a second coat (I could usually get away with 1 coat of Darksun) - however is a little brighter.

Flash Gitz Yellow is a bit brighter than Cygnar Yellow, and covers about as well. Not different enough to stand out much when viewing from a distance (like when playing a game)

Seraphim Sepia is almost identical in colour to Gryphonne Sepia, although it does seem to flow better and doesn't pool on large surfaces as much, overall an improvement here.

Out of the paints I got, only the Sepia was in a new style pot, the others were in the old style transparent top ones. Guess GW still have a large stock of those to use up first. I do quite like the new top, the peg at the back helps the top stay open nicely without having to 'click' the hinge, though I will second a previous commenter and agree that it can sometimes prop the back of the lid open when closing the pot, leaving a small gap which you can't see easily from the front.

In general I have been impressed with the new paints so far, I need to pick up some more to experiment with other colours.