Ask the Longbeards.

[Vault Dweller]

[Lizardmen]
I read a brief history of the Lizardmen on the GW site and found it quite intriguing. It really has quite a lot of similarities to the War in Heaven fluff in 40K. Could someone tell me more about the Lizardmen, the Slann and the plan of the old ones that they follow?

[Wu Ming]

His last names is, yes.
There are some awful puns in the Warhammer World...

Bran'Wa'Shin

[Arnizipal]

Bran'Wa'Shin

Baron Vansaponatheim

You actually have to say that to hear its subtle yet horrible pun.

[CommanderCax]

You actually have to say that to hear its subtle yet horrible pun.

My personal favorite: Daryus-e-Quabir

[Jedi152]

My personal favorite: Daryus-e-Quabir

Am i the only one that doesn't get the joke?

And they all pale in comparison to the abominable 5th ed Lizards book. KopaKetl?
Tene-uini? Ximnipot? Xocibiki? The list goes on...

[CommanderCax]

Am i the only one that doesn't get the joke?

Daryus-e-Quabir = Dare you seek a beer.

[Lizardmen]
I read a brief history of the Lizardmen on the GW site and found it quite intriguing. It really has quite a lot of similarities to the War in Heaven fluff in 40K. Could someone tell me more about the Lizardmen, the Slann and the plan of the old ones that they follow?

First of all keep in mind most of the Warhammer background precedes anything from Warhammer 40k. So it is always 40k that is similar to Fantasy, not the other way around.

Anyway to cut a long story short:
The Lizardmen are the servants of the Slann for any menial tasks, while the Slann in turn were originally the servants of the Old Ones and nowadays contemplate most of the time about the Great Plan of the Old Ones.
Especially here on Warseer many are the opinion the Old Ones were in fact the Slann (and vice versa), but the slightly degenerated Slann that are still living today do not realize their true ancestry. So they are venerated as mysterious gods by the Lizardmen, who try to fulfill the Great Plan of the Old Ones that is hinted on certain holy tablets. This Great Plan is certainly nothing more than a couple of 'reminders' from the Old Ones to shift a few continents at certain time points in the future.
I fear nothing more is really known, the Slann just stoically try to fulfill all that is written on these holy tablets (many of them are already lost) and spare no effort thereby. They are strongly opposed to any races that are not mentioned in the Great Plan like the vile Skaven.

[Jedi152]

Daryus-e-Quabir = Dare you seek a beer.

*groan*

[Master_Forcide]

He expanded on this in later novels but Luitpold never fully made the leap from novel to universally accepted background.

To add to this, Luitpold is mentioned once in the WHRP 2E rulebook, as the expected heir to K-F.

[sonofsparky]

[Empire]

Please Great and Venerable Longbeards, impart upon me a portion of you vast knowledge and tell me all you know about Wissenland.

[CommanderCax]

This might be of interest.

[sonofsparky]

Thank you, that was very helpful. However I still have one more question.

Wissenland is a city-state, but was sometimes under Nuln's rule and vice-versa however, the Countess has effectively brought and end to that. Did I get that right?

[CommanderCax]

Wissenland is not a city-state; it is 'The Grand County of Wissenland'. Nuln is a city-state, technically free of Wissenland, but still owing allegiance to its Elector Count. This poses little problem for the freewheeling people of the city, for the Elector Count of Wissenland is also Countess of Nuln.
Currently Countess von Liebewitz is negotiating with the Emperor to completely seperate Nuln from 'dreary' Wissenland. She would retain Nuln and her electoral vote, whilst the province would be given to the Toppenheimer family, which would also receive an electoral vote.
So she heated up the whole secession thing instead of 'effectively bringing an end to that' so to speak.

[ghost21]

hi there bowing to people of greater wisdom i would like to ask you a cupple of qs if i may
on the subject of Emmanuelle von Liebewits the countess, would never wield a runefang and i agree;
however are there no female marshals or captains or pevious females in the empires past ;apart from the sisters of sigmar who would take to the field wielding this weapon ?

also did marienberg have a runefang as it was part of the empire wouldnt it have one designated to it?


and isnt the curent leader of this city also female?

[Makarion]

[Empire - Knightly Orders]

Revered Longbeards,

I am a recent arrival onto the WFB scene, although I've been fond of the Old World (with all it's awful/-some names) for many years. Now I've started on acquiring an army, essential questions like colour schemes and symbolism rear their ugly heads. A such, a few questions:

1). Where is the main Temple of the Raven Knights? And, in case it's become canon they are not the Knights of Morr, where do *those* have their main Temple?

I know a Temple was referred to with regard to them in Siegfriedhof, but I am not familiar with that locale, so that doesn't really help me much. I also know that some form of Morr'ite knightly order was involved with the founding of Mordheim (no surprise there), so I assume they still have a vested interested in that region.

2). I assume there's a major Temple to Manann in Marienburg, it being the biggest port towards the Sea of Claws near Empire territory, but are other towns with Temples along the coast known? Very little of the Imperial northern coast has been detailed, to my mild chagrin.

Should I decide to work on my army being dedicated to Manann, it would be nice *not* to be situated in Marienburg, since that would rather complicate the political landscape, and army composition as a result.

3). Is it known whether there are any major temples in Talabecland? I know of the ones in Talabheim, but I was thinking of maybe being a bit more rural yet... and still be able to draw on Templar Knights, of whatever order catches my fancy.

4). Are the Knights of Everlasting Light Templar Knights of Verena or of the Law God that starts with an A? (sorry, I cannot for the life of me recall it's name, and don't have source material at hand). If it's the latter, is there a known militant order dedicated to Verena outside of Tilea and Estalia?

From what I understand, the Templars of Verena are actually not a militant order at all, and more dedicated to the spread and fostering of knowledge and learning. Which makes perfect sense, but serves me little .


Regards, and fair questing,

Makarion

[Chiron]

2) There are few major towns on the northern coasts, Marienburg has a very large monopoly on the sea trade, what few attempts have been made to start new ports usually end in disaster, either due to Marienburg effectively buying the clients of the city off or due to raids by Norsemen. There is at least 1 city thats basically a large ghost town due to this. So there are mainly just fishing villages on the northern coastline, presumably with a smallish shrine to Manaan

[CommanderCax]

however are there no female marshals or captains or pevious females in the empires past ;apart from the sisters of sigmar who would take to the field wielding this weapon ?

also did marienberg have a runefang as it was part of the empire wouldnt it have one designated to it?

and isnt the curent leader of this city also female?

There are and were powerful female Elector Counts (Grand Duchess Ottilia of Talabecland was even self proclaimed Empress for a short time), but I doubt any of them were warriors taking their Runefung to the field of battle. They were before all rulers, able politicians and powerful overlords that left the art of war to others.
The county of Westerland, to which Marienburg originally belonged, never had its own Runefang as it was not part of the original confederation of the twelve tribes that supported Sigmar and founded the Empire if I remember correctly.
There is no single ruler of Marienburg, instead it is ruled by some kind of parliament that is made up of the most powerful trading houses and the heads of the major religions. The original Count of Westerland is living in exile and is threatened with death upon his return to Marienburg.

[CommanderCax]

[Empire - Knightly Orders]

I try to give a more detailed answer when I am home tonight.

1) Templars of Morr are a controversial thing in the background. Some say they just do not exist in the classical sense. Many are confused by the different names and discriptions of these Orders. Mentioned are Raven Knights, Black Guardsmen of Morr and Fellowship of the Shroud. The guys from Black Industries say: 'The Raven Knights and the Black Guard are different orders. Very different orders.' The Raven Knights were always described as a secretive Order that included priests, knights, witch-hunters, exorcists and even spell-casters (eg. Amethyst Magisters). The Black Guard seem to be more Templar like and are mentioned as clad in black plate armour in a couple of novels from Black Library.
Sigmar’s Heirs mentions the Fellowship of the Shroud, but it is also specifically stated that the Morr church does not maintain an order of Templars. However, later the book mentions that the Fellowship of the Shroud maintains chapter houses in Ostermark (Essen) and Stirland (Siegfriedhof). In the entry for Siegfriedhof it is said that the town is owned by the Order of Raven Knights – an order of Templars of Morr.

2) Marienburg has the biggest temple of Manann in the Old World; it is in fact a huge cathedral.
The northern coast of the Empire is also some kind of a mystery, because normally it should be expected to have dozens of towns at the coast, but almost nothing is mentioned in regard to this. Salzenmund is not at the coast as far as I know, but I do remember Neues Emskrank (apropos awful names...) as the biggest port/town at the northern coast of Nordland.

3) There are certainly many temples of Taal and other gods in Talabecland, but I doubt here are any bigger Orders of Templar Knights. Talabheim (instead of Küssel) is mostly still considered as the capital of Talabecland even though it is a chartered free-town, so I would draw in all resources from Talabheim (Knightly Orders, Magisters etc.) for creating a Talabecland oriented army.

4) I do not know whom the Knights of Everlasting Light are devoted to, but I doubt it is Arianka or any of the Law Gods as they are erased from nowadays background canon. Verena could be a posibility. The (un-official) WFRP magazine Warpstone mentioned Templars loyal to Verena if I remember correctly. And WFRP mentions Verenan Investigators that form some loose Order within the church of Verena, but they are more akin to secret agents or police inspectors than to religous motivated knights.
Apart from that the church of Verena and Myrmidia are close allies so I would expect Knights of the Blazing Sun supporting the church of Verena whenever martial force is in need.

Now back to work...

[Arnizipal]

The county of Westerland, to which Marienburg originally belonged, never had its own Runefang as it was not part of the original confederation of the twelve tribes that supported Sigmar and founded the Empire if I remember correctly.

According to Life of Sigmar, the Jutones (the tribe that inhabited the Wasteland in Sigmar's time) refused to take part in the battle of Black Fire Pass. IIRC only the twelve tribes who fought in that battle received a Runefang.

[Rightnow]

I'm looking for info on Ostland in general and about the Forest of Shadows. What kind of trees are in the forest?

[ghost21]

{warrior priests}
ok cool ty for the info; wich gods would have thease i think that obviously it would be myramidia, ulric and sigmar, posibly mannan?

though i think mybe the gods of law would have some also