Official WarSeer Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition discussion thread

[Ghal Maraz]

I remember some thing, which if I'm not mistaking predates the pdf..(refuse to call it a fake, as some one did a hell of a job, thought its month early for April fools)

There will be a trade off or bid system, where in you can change force org by trading in one unit of elite, for one unit of say heavy.. Not sure if this was just chaos or for all armies.

Actually, IIRC, this was a misinterpretation of the rumoured rules about the various Chaos Legions having access to different tools/resources.

[Shatterclaw]

The this was my mistake, Thank you.

Actually, IIRC, this was a misinterpretation of the rumoured rules about the various Chaos Legions having access to different tools/resources.

[Max1mum]

The post below does not belong in the other thread. It is a actual Rumour, as apose to something relating to the 'Fakehammer 40k first edition'

Was this already posted? I can't seem to find it in the thread.

So, we heard a doozy of a rumor today that I wanted to share with the community.

A source of ours who knows people who knows people, etc. often shares tidbits of juicy rumors. Today he and I were talking about 6th ed and whether or not the leaked rules were legit.

He told me that a friend of his who works for GW not only confirmed that this rule-set was legit, but that it was the culmination of a master plan, so to speak, that has been in the works for years.

Apparently, GW game design has wanted to get away from the edition cycle they’ve been in for the past 3 editions, and want to move towards a core rule set that they can rely on for a long period of time, updating with FAQ’s and Erratas as needed. They want to avoid sweeping changes that leave certain armies in the dust, and therefore with lagging sales.

This would allow them to focus on the model line to a greater degree, and to expand the game into different directions. They would be able to explore the game story both forwards and backwards, and a Warhammer 30K supplement was mentioned (which we’ve been hearing about multiple times). He also mentioned the possibility of progressing the story-line, which we have also been hearing from multiple sources.

If that is true then the following years may turn out quite interesting.

[Archibald_TK]

Well, that's a surprise, I did not even realize they were two threads about 6th Edition so I posted it in the other one (thought it is also related to the validity of the leaked document anyway).

The shift toward a stable "patchable" system to prevent damaging the sales of some armies or models for years with each new Edition is the part that caught my attention in the first place. Sounds like a credible rumour and something I personally would welcome with open arms.

[Max1mum]

To be honoust i was a bit jelous with the Fantasy Crowd getting those two awesome source books ( the campaign and storm of magic ).

And it makes completely and total sence that this 'model' would transfer to 40k as well.

And from the looks of it, hardly anybody knows this thread is around :P considering the amount of posts ' the other thread' is getting.

[The Dude]

I honestly can't see GW moving to a "patchable" version of 40K. Just doesn't sit right.

[ForgottenLore]

And from the looks of it, hardly anybody knows this thread is around :P considering the amount of posts ' the other thread' is getting.

No, it's just that there isn't anything new to talk about in this thread just now. Once all the excitement over "the document" has died down a bit and we get some other rumors, then this thread will pick up.

Until then though, the only 6th Ed rumors we have are either PDF related or old and already well discussed.

[MajorWesJanson]

I honestly can't see GW moving to a "patchable" version of 40K. Just doesn't sit right.

Try replacing "patchable" with "expansions."
The current system is that Codex overrides BRB. They could expand that easily. Remember the early attempt at "Codex:Battlezones?" If 6th edition has say rules for terrain, fliers, and superheavies, they could do supplements for each. Think a Codex- Cityfight with more/adjusted rules for urban combat, a Codex- Air War with more/adjusted rules for fliers, a Codex- Epic War with superheavies and formations, like apoc now. The Codex update cycle would not only allow for certain rules to be effectively fixed as needed, but would allow for more selling points for models- terrain for a cityfight or wilderness warfare book, fliers for an Air War book, or more superheavies with Epic War.
As codices, they would be more accepted as official publications to play with rather than expansions, which by their nature are optional.

It would be a canny move by GW, actually. Less need for full edition changes, more ability to sell codices that cover various races and models to expand sales.

[Malakai]

Didn't they try patches with 3rd edition codecs and it pissed people off?

[The Dude]

Try replacing "patchable" with "expansions."
The current system is that Codex overrides BRB. They could expand that easily. Remember the early attempt at "Codex:Battlezones?" If 6th edition has say rules for terrain, fliers, and superheavies, they could do supplements for each. Think a Codex- Cityfight with more/adjusted rules for urban combat, a Codex- Air War with more/adjusted rules for fliers, a Codex- Epic War with superheavies and formations, like apoc now. The Codex update cycle would not only allow for certain rules to be effectively fixed as needed, but would allow for more selling points for models- terrain for a cityfight or wilderness warfare book, fliers for an Air War book, or more superheavies with Epic War.
As codices, they would be more accepted as official publications to play with rather than expansions, which by their nature are optional.

It would be a canny move by GW, actually. Less need for full edition changes, more ability to sell codices that cover various races and models to expand sales.

I don't see why the rules for Superheavies and fliers need to be in the MRB to allow for expansions. Especially as Codices don't include their stats/rules. If you need to buy a book to get the stats/rules for the superheavies, why the hell not just include the rules for playing with them?

You know, like the Apocalypse book

Wheat that rumour was saying waws that GW would use FAQs and Erratas to update the game, which is illogical as it means you end up with a big book and a sheaf of paper.

If it means they'd re-print the BRB at intervals to incorporate the changes, I don;'t see how that's different from what they do now.

They did something similar in 3rd with the trial assault rules and Chapter Approved.

This is more a change in direction (again) away from their aversion to erratas in 4th/5th

[Spell_of_Destruction]

There's no silver bullet (other than a stronger effort by GW to keep codeces balanced) but if you're weighing up having to refer to a printed out errata update to make use of your existing codex on one hand and leaving sub standard books languishing for years on the other, I'm not sure that the latter is preferable even if the former is less than ideal.

They could always release a reprint of the codex and a free PDF for those who don't want to buy a new one.

A more patchable system doesn't necessarily mean GW would need to abandon it's 'big new release/flavour of the month' model. It would be more a case of "we're not planning to update Dark Eldar for another 5 years but here's a bone in the meantime".

[Scaryscarymushroom]

Does anyone recall what the starter kit for 6th edition is rumored to be?

Chaos Space Marines vs... ?

[The Dude]

There's been several rumours including Black Templars, Dark Angels, Grey Knights and Eldar.

Basically a bit of a scattergun approach

[Max1mum]

I don't see the current WFB system with add ons as a 'system of patches'

I see it as a attempt to write a rule set that will allow for more variaty. All the rules for everything could be in the main book. All you then need for Campaign books or 'special mission books' are Stratagems...

That would meen that the special mission books will not need a update when 7th hits the shelves.


@ the dude, why do you see it as a 'system of patches' ?

[The Dude]

...

The thing you quoted earlier, the thing I'm talking about, said "updating with FAQs and erratas as needed", not releasing expansions. Thats what they're doing now with Cities of Death, Apocalypse and Planetstrike.

One book with FAQs and erratas is a series of patches.

[Max1mum]

...

The thing you quoted earlier, the thing I'm talking about, said "updating with FAQs and erratas as needed", not releasing expansions. Thats what they're doing now with Cities of Death, Apocalypse and Planetstrike.

One book with FAQs and erratas is a series of patches.

I sure missed the obvious answer on that one :P

Got ya ;-) ...well, back to businuss as useual then.

[Portentous]

Does anyone recall what the starter kit for 6th edition is rumored to be?

Chaos Space Marines vs... ?

ghost21 said it was "knightly marines vs. Chaos on a daemon-infested planet"

With Black Templars being the next Codex release (and probably the last of 5th Edition) and including a big impressive new Flyer, it makes sense for GW to boost their sales by including them as the loyalist Marine faction in the boxed game. Time will tell...

[Gingerwerewolf]

There's been several rumours including Black Templars, Dark Angels, Grey Knights and Eldar.

Basically a bit of a scattergun approach

Im guessing Imperial Guard from the snippets Ive read of 6th and the old rumor that loyalist marines are not in the box.

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[The French Guy]

Thought I read it won't be the "SledgeHammer" of the Emperor or something similar.
If so, IG is out....

[worldshatterer]

Does anyone else remember the set of 6th edition rumours from Bloodofkittens by a poster called Rideroftheerk about 6months ago?They were the only serious 6th edition rules rumour that I can recall, and mesh quite well with the PDF that was doing the round. So someone was in the know about the contents 6 months ago and doing the groundwork on leaking or setting up the hoax.

So heres some edited highlights-

* the biggest rule changes:
- similar ballistic to hit chart as wound chart: compare BS to target’s speed and unit type. BS 3 hits moving infantry on 4+, but lightning fast jetbikes on 6+ and stationary tank on 2+… HUGE
- victory points are back, but with another twist: you get two victory points if an unit holds an objective for an entire game turn, if a scoring unit holds one, you get three and one if you destroy a squad leader or vehicle
- before the game there is a bidding contest for the opportunity of the first turn, if you bid more strategic points you can go first, but the enemy can spent these points on stratagems as in Cities of Death: 22 generic stratagems – for example for one point you can decide on night fighting or place an automatic gun, for four you can shift your reserves, most expensive stratagems are at 12 points and are really drastic, every unspent point can be used once a game for a reroll
- new turn sequence: prepare-movement-assault-shooting-consolidate
new phase “consolidate” phase for random movements, jetpack movements, pursuits, morale checks/effects and resolving shooting reactions
assault before shooting – big units are real roadblocks!<<

And links for verification purposes.
http://bloodofkittens.com/network/me...rideroftheerk/
http://bloodofkittens.com/network/me...ctivity/14767/
http://bloodofkittens.com/network/me...ctivity/14713/
http://bloodofkittens.com/network/me...ctivity/14616/

Mods please remove if this is veering the conversation back over towards the hoax 6th edition PDF but these are the only substantial 6th ed rumours I remember.