Official WarSeer Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition discussion thread

[Cheexsta]

Such a cnahge would allow for GW to allow for a break up of the Imperium in a way that dosen't default to Chaos. It allows 'loyalist' marines to still be 'good guys' but still not be part of the Imperium.

Or that they'll all still fall under the blanket of the "Imperium", but are simply factions within it. Like the Radical and Puritan factions of the Inquisition, for an example that already exists in the fluff. Maybe not a full civil war, but still a cause of friction within the Imperium.

Same thing could be said of the Tau, too. Some could be opposed to this union of sorts and would rather subjugate humans as part of the Tau Empire. Others (Farsight?) could welcome it.

I'm staring to warm up a little to this idea the more I think about it.

[Shas'O'Stormblade]

Anyone see the new rumors over at Faeit 212? Apparently chain assaults and snap fire is going to be featured in 6th

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/05/o...-6th.html#more

[Ravariel]

Wow, every rumor I hear makes me less and less excited for the new edition. I guess I'll just be playing the leaked rules or another system.

[Liber]

Anyone see the new rumors over at Faeit 212? Apparently chain assaults and snap fire is going to be featured in 6th

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/05/o...-6th.html#more

Nice. I always thought it was stupid that you couldn't open fire at an assaulting foe (stand and shoot as it is known in Fantasy). I hope these rules changes we've been reading about are for real, if they are I might try and tempt my friends to dabble in 40k for the first time in like...5 years?

Also someone at bloodofkittens linked this http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_..._June_2012.pdf

And if you scroll down to the last page you will notice that the Tau and (regular) Space Marines are 'brothers in arms' category. Definitely lends credence to the new rumors imo.

[Dhurrin]

It may lend credence to the Tau/Ultramarine rumour OR it may be that BoK got these two mixed up. Maybe they saw that chart and thought it was about 6th edition.

[Liber]

It may lend credence to the Tau/Ultramarine rumour OR it may be that BoK got these two mixed up. Maybe they saw that chart and thought it was about 6th edition.

Possible. But unlikely. I would agree if the rumor was "tau and ultramarines are allies now!" and nothing more. But the rumor had a whole setup as to why (fluff wise) this was the case. Again, could be all made up (or hilariously a part of some summer campaign nobodies aware of) but it could very well be that the rumors are just accurate.

[Captain Idaho]

Everyone forgets about the fact Tau are only a five thousand years old and Guilliman hasn't been about for 10,000 years... It ain't true in my view.

[Sami]

Everyone forgets about the fact Tau are only a five thousand years old and Guilliman hasn't been about for 10,000 years... It ain't true in my view.

You'll notice the "it is believed by the Ultramarines and others that the Tau are that lost race.". Doesn't mean that the Ultramarines are correct in their assessment :P

[Sithlord]

Possible. But unlikely. I would agree if the rumor was "tau and ultramarines are allies now!" and nothing more. But the rumor had a whole setup as to why (fluff wise) this was the case. Again, could be all made up (or hilariously a part of some summer campaign nobodies aware of) but it could very well be that the rumors are just accurate.

indeed, because if I remember it again, there is another xeno that are not corrupted by chaos and that is necron! So might as well set ultramarines to protect them as well yarrrrr...

[Dhurrin]

Tau aren't five thousand years old. I don't understand why people keep saying this. The first encounter between the Imperium and Tau was 6,000 years before the current timeline. At that time they fought only with sticks and stone IIRC. They didn't magically evolve at that point. They must have been around for tens if not hundreds of thousands years as a species before that point.

[Captain Idaho]

I was posting briefly and quickly without wanting to go into depth. The Tau were just one of many thousands of races until around five thousand years ago (haven't the source to hand). At this stage in their development they were entirely primitive. That means prior to this they were just as, if not more so, primitive. Apart from the Emperor using psychic foresight to predict a race would be servicable, why would anyone think at such an early stage of their development they were suitible to be anti-Chaos over any other races out there?

Of course, we all know some rubbish could be made up to solve the "problem" but I call bunk on this one. It's just a "Hater" making up rubbish to troll people based upon internet reaction to Calgar letting some Tau evacuate a planet about to be destroyed. Same as people reacted badly to Blood Angels teaming up with Necrons (ignoring the fact they just stopped shooting at each other and withdrew) and now we have a rumour from the same source that Blood Angels can ally with Necrons.

It's silly and a troll.

[Caitsidhe]

The trend in rumors seems to suggest that 40K is just going to be made science fiction shadow of WFB. If true, I'll walk away from it as easily as I did WFB. I've very little interest in playing the adult version of Candyland, wherein the outcome is decided almost entirely at random.

[Ironhand]

What Caltsidhe said. I've walked away from 40K before (in 2nd Edition) and I won't have any problem doing it again if the rules are as bad as Fantasy 8th. There are some other really interesting games out there - Dust Warfare and Tomorrow's War to name but two - that can very easily give me my science fiction miniatures fix.

[The bearded one]

and I won't have any problem doing it again if the rules are as bad as Fantasy 8th.

Don't forget adding a variation of "in my opinion", as 8th edition is regarded as one of the best editions to date, balancing out the playingfield amongst the books immensely as well.

[Haravikk]

I think that full pre-measuring and random charges as per fantasy are pretty much a given. "Mysterious" terrain types like fantasy seems semi-likely, and terrain in general may follow fantasy's lead as well, with difficult terrain disappearing in favour of just having normal movement dangerous terrain, with some randomised types to further discourage players from just charging through alien forests etc.

I think that what's going to be more interesting are things like changes to vehicle rules to hopefully nerf the overly abused troop-transports. I'd love to see Overwatch make a return though, possibly alongside some shooting related penalty system, as while simple shooting is fine, it's a bit too simple right now.

Anyway, I think that 8th edition fantasy is a good place to look for the direction that 40k is going to take, I'd love to see universal war gear alongside an expanded universal rules section.

Ally rules make sense, though it's a bit unclear how they might handle it. I think it's likely that trusted allies will only count if it's the same faction, i.e - any imperial codex with any other imperial codex, otherwise each book is its own faction, uneasy alliances between "good" and "bad" factions such as imperial + eldar, tau + eldar, orks + chaos etc., and then weak alliance between any other combination of forces. The real question though is what it would add; in Fantasy stronger alliances allow the general and BSB to carry across to your ally, but also Panic, while a mistrustful alliance shares nothing (more like two completely separate forces), but I don't think it'd be quite as easy as that. For 40k it seems more likely that ally rules would be a new form of scenario special rule for scenarios or player agreed situations to use, rather than anything you'd expect to see a lot of. The whole point being to make 2v2 battle easier to setup, not ruining 1v1 matches with mixing and matching of whatever army you feel like.

[Rlyehable]

Hey Dude,
How about a summary in the first post, as we are at post 356?
I know it does not look like a lot of solid info yet, but still would be appreciated.

[Theis]

Don't forget adding a variation of "in my opinion", as 8th edition is regarded as one of the best editions to date, balancing out the playingfield amongst the books immensely as well.

In your opinion.

In mine, Caitsidhe is correct. In my local area whfb is dead, because of 8th, and the army books released subsequently to it.

[Bubble Ghost]

I don't mind the alleged "randomness" in WFB 8 - what I can't stomach about it is the way it's been cynically engineered to result in bigger units, more dice and more model deaths, as if those are the magic "units of fun" and more of them is unconditionally an improvement. It just seems to make events and sights that should be impressive into something sterile and mundane. That's what I'm worried will carry over if they're trying to homogenise the two games.

[Theocracity]

I'd be fine with making 40K more like Fantasy. None of the rumors to that effect seem bad for the game. My one question though: in Fantasy, does randomized charge distance mean the max distance is 6" or is that the average? I'd be okay with giving up certainty if it could be more than 6".

Regarding the Allies rules, I'm not going to believe any of that until we hear it from someone else. A rules set for multiplayer games is fine, but assigning benefits based on mangled fluff would actually make things more restrictive, not less. Nowadays you can make up any reason why two armies fight with or against each other. I think Tasty saw the rules to the doubles tournament and leapt to conclusions, as he does, while making up or being fed some fluff nonsense to go along with it.

[For mankind]

Tau and Ultramarines ally Iknew I have heard that befor, and now I rember where, I wrote it myself, (althoug it wasn't very serious about it) a long time ago, (8.7.2011) in a thread about predicting M42 Events, oh my god I can see into the future, it is time to start a tzeentch army. As evidence, my shortend post:



Re: Predicting M42 Events

(......)
For exampel: Lets say the tyranids finally overrun ultramar, and the blue marines retreat, with million of refugees, into the Tau Emipre, and form some kind of split blue empiere, blue marines and blue xenos, figthing side by side, while not trusting each other, an alliance where everyone knows it won't last for long.

(.........)


And if the emperor dies, who know what happens, maybe terra and the whole solar system just dissapers, or a new warp god is born, and then there is a warp storm aquvialent to the eye of terror, where terra ones was....
And the new homeworld of the empire becams Ultra Tau!!!

(...)